Rand Paul says U.S. needs a reawakening from "spiritual crisis"

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry Lib, but I would have to disagree. The diffrences are precieved. We see more of what goes on in the world vs what we used to. Looking back through out history basicaly shows lots of stuff that far excedes the divorce rate or what is shown on tv. One of our wars of agression far far excedes it.

That's fine, you can disagree. I know that I am correct.

I hate to tell you this, but what Rand said about this issue, mirrors what Ron has said numerous times. So, if you do not agree with Rand on this, you do not agree with Ron, either.

 

[Revolution9]

Again the problem with this reasoning is that you have a legal recourse to get rid of a child if you want to get rid of it. Adoption, foster care. Maybe we should be sponsering research on how to bring a child to term outside of the human body so that you can have the same means before birth?

Borg entity thinking.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

One, you don't know that. Two, it shows her surrounded by 'baby stuff'. Not babies. This is pornography, people like weird things, are you going to chastise them because of their turn-ons? Way to cast the first stone.

I'll chastise the hell out of someone wanting to parade their proclivities. Makes them want to pull their metaphorical drawers back up and tuck that puppy away. If that is casting stones I want a two ton boulder to knock some reprobates in the head with..

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

You're right, it is. But "human being" doesn't necessarily have to be synonymous with homo sapien. Meanings of non-scientific words can vary.

The phrase "human BEING" sums it all up. Thanks for participating in your own enlightenment.

Rev9

 

[Elfshadow]

Borg entity thinking.

Rev9

Come again? A compromise is Borg entity thinking? What is that supposed to be anyways? I'm not suggesting assimilating anything.

 

[July]

Sorry Lib, but I would have to disagree. The diffrences are precieved. We see more of what goes on in the world vs what we used to. Looking back through out history basicaly shows lots of stuff that far excedes the divorce rate or what is shown on tv. One of our wars of agression far far excedes it.

I think he's more talking about postmodernism... you know, a lot of the sort of aimlessness, nihilism, cynicism, apathy, angst, etc, that has come along with it. Not that there hasn't always been social ills or evils in society. But even for a lot people, the "state" has almost successfully replaced god...supposed Christian social conservatives booed Ron on stage when he brought up the golden rule, and are voting for more war and suffering. They are expecting politicians, people like Rick Santorum, to "save" people, through force of the government (instead of having real spiritual leaders out there doing the inspiring and leading).

This nihilism is all over the internet too. Rand got a big dose of it right after his endorsement. And I don't mean the supporters who were just passionately expressing their disagreement or dislike, but some of the more malicious and violent comments that were directed at the Pauls in general. It's almost as if the internet has created a virtual reality where people feel disconnected from the meaning and intent behind their words. And like Rand said, you have some people who will stand around watching a violent crime, videotaping it on their phone for youtube, but do nothing to intervene. There's something wrong with that.

So if Keynesianism is in the process of collapsing, as Ron thinks it is, maybe it'll start washing down a lot this postmodernism and angst down the drain with it...and there could be a chance for a new intellectual or spiritual movement or revival of some sort.

 

[MaxPower]

I like to watch him speak too, even on little issues like toilets. He sure makes most other political figures look like idiots...lol
I used to think he was awesome.
But then.....
He just voted yes on sanctions...an act of war. A neocon policy.
He just endorsed a neocon.
Now he is trying to please the religious "right" by limiting abortion.
How do neocons gain support?
Through the appeasement of Christians.
You know damn well that they could care less about religion. It's simply a very effective tool they use.
Rand is supposedly a Libertarian.
How can a Libertarian be FOR taking peoples rights away?

Thus my comment, he's starting to look more like a neocon.
I have no interest in taking back any of the uniparty so I could care less what his strategy is.
To me, he sold out.

10 years of sanctions cost 100's of thousands of Iraqi's lives, mostly woman, children and the elderly. They do not really effect a government that substantially. Why would you commit to an act of war against a nation that has never attacked us?
Romney will set the Liberty movement back in monumental strides no different than Obama has, he most likely will accelerate our demise.
and now Abortion....really?

You are correct that he should not have voted for the sanctions (though, for the note, it was an utterly hopeless vote-- the sanctions were passing whether he signed his name on or not-- and he did only vote to attach them to a bill-- the NDAA-- which he ultimately voted against anyway, meaning that he voted against their becoming law) or endorsed Romney (though he is correct that the endorsement will help him get votes on things like his Audit the Fed bill). However, you are wrong about abortion. Limiting abortion does not take away anyone's rights, because there is no right to abortion; abortion itself takes away people's rights.

 

[brandon]

A lot of people don't think a fetus is a human being.

Lol.. That's a tough argument to make, that fetuses are non-human. So do they start as some alien or non-human organism and then change species to human as soon as they are removed from the womb?

You're right, it is. But "human being" doesn't necessarily have to be synonymous with homo sapien. Meanings of non-scientific words can vary.

Rand Paul just introduced a bill where he found it necessary to explicitly define human being and being synonymous with homo sapien.

(c) Definitions.--For purposes of this section:

(1) HUMAN PERSON; HUMAN BEING.--The terms ``human person'' and ``human being'' include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including, but not limited to, the moment of fertilization, cloning, and other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.

 

[showpan]

None of you have changed my mind about abortion. I believe it is also used more out of religious belief than it is as a moral issue. While I do agree that there are too many abortions, education is the key for prevention, not more government controls. What about cases of rape and incest? What about deformations and diseases that are detectable early on in pregnancy? What about all the unwanted children we have now? If someone is not ready to be a parent, then that is their choice, not the governments. Have any of you ever been a foster child or parent and seen first hand what the majority of those children must endure?
Also, things have been much, much worse throughout history. There has never been a period of greater "spiritual enlightenment" or morality. The media sells bullshit because there isn't much profit in anything else. People are more educated today and education is still the key, not religion. Especially a religion that places it's hopes on the the "rapture"...lol

 

[TheTexan]

Politicians love the issue of abortion. It's a heated issue, and depending on your party, there's only one right answer. It's so ridiculously easy to rally support by using this issue.

The whole issue of abortion is a political tool used by career politicians.

There are far more pressing matters that need to be tended to than abortion... but Rand chooses to focus on abortion because it is politically expedient.

Oh but that's right, because "it's cool, he has a plan." He's going to "pretend to not care about freedom so he can win" and then "give the country surprise freedom".... ya, I don't see anyone saying that about DeMint. Just because he's Paul's son, people assume he has liberty in his heart, but he doesn't.

At this point anyone who can't see through Rand's BS is not an ally of this movement, but a detriment

 

[Sola_Fide]

Rand Paul just introduced a bill where he found it necessary to explicitly define human being and being synonymous with homo sapien.

Come on bro ...seriously