Rand Paul gets speaking slot at Republican National Convention

[Bastiat's The Law]

"Rand will win over thousands of new converts because he's intelligent, funny, and charismatic."

Rand is intelligent? I haven't seen many smart political decisions by him honestly, other than running on his father's name/record to get elected. Rand Paul did nothing on his own that I'm aware of, to run for Senate other than use his father's name/record and resources. How much of it was actually Rand, not sure.

As for "intelligent" "funny" "charismatic" I don't get any of those from when I have heard him speak or be interviewed. I'm being serious. If you can't do the biggest endorsement you are doing in the 2012 campaign the right way, that doesn't show intelligence.
Funny? Charismatic? Am I missing something here? I seriously think there are going to be some people that are surprised when the "establishment" turns on Rand in 2015/2016, because they don't trust him and then what will his up "friendship" with the GOP have gained him? Absolutely nothing. It's exactly why Rick Santorum has more credibility from this campaign, than Ron Paul and company. Rick Santorum absolutely attacked Romney and was attacked back, but even after Rick Santorum said things like Mitt Romney is the same as Obama, he gets a speaking slot at the convention...yet some thought not attacking Romney would give RP a speaking slot. LOL.

Rand is a true intellectual like his father.




You truly are missing something. Look at how MSNBC poops their panties when confronted with a real conservative with substance and an intelligent cohesive philosophy of liberty. No can defend.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yes, he can. He won over the Kentucky voters, didn't he? I have watched him explain some of the same concepts that Ron has tried to explain to everyday Republicans and watched them go wild with applause. When with Ron, they didn't understand and thought he was nuts.

Yeah, and he did it with Sarah (Israel first!) Palin's endorsement...which was the first time I had a WTF? moment where Rand is concerned. I guess neocons are wondering the same thing about Rand that I am: is he with them, or is he with us?

 

[AuH20]

Yes, he can. He won over the Kentucky voters, didn't he? I have watched him explain some of the same concepts that Ron has tried to explain to everyday Republicans and watched them go wild with applause. When with Ron, they didn't understand and thought he was nuts.

Rand reminds me of a great football coach that can communicate to various players with different personalities, while Ron is pretty much tuned to one wavelength, like him or hate him.

 

[Brett85]

He never will, unless he pretends to be something his supporters here say he's not.

He's able to explain Ron's positions better than Ron ever could. The main problem Ron had was his messaging, not his actual positions.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

That's nice if you're happy with Rand's actions over the past couple of months. Some of us aren't. I'm an American; I have almost double your post count, and have been here far longer than you. And I'm in complete agreement with what Eire4RonPaul had to say.

From your past posts you're not even involved with the Paul supporters in Louisiana, so why are you even speaking? You do nothing for this movement. The liberty movement marches on, step aside or be crushed.

 

[sailingaway]

He's able to explain Ron's positions better than Ron ever could. The main problem Ron had was his messaging, not his actual positions.

to some

to those who are saying Rand is better than Ron, I suggest you aren't going to get many converts from RON's own campaign forum that way.

 

[AuH20]

He's able to explain Ron's positions better than Ron ever could. The main problem Ron had was his messaging, not his actual positions.

Agreed. Ron Paul has fabulous, necessary ideas that are integral to the American experiment, but his articulation of these ideas were poor to say the least.

 

[Brett85]

to some

to those who are saying Rand is better than Ron, I suggest you aren't going to get many converts from RON's own campaign forum that way.

I said that Rand is better at explaining the issues than Ron. Would you really disagree with that?

 

[cajuncocoa]

From your past posts you're not even involved with the Paul supporters in Louisiana, so why are you even speaking? You do nothing for this movement. The liberty movement marches on, step aside or be crushed.

Who are you to suggest that I should stop speaking?

No, I'm not involved with people on the ground in Louisiana (no interest in getting involved with the GOP...how many times do I have to say it?) Nobody seemed to mind when I was making phone calls for, and donating money to, Ron Paul though.

If you are an example of the so-called liberty movement, I will gladly march alone.

 

[sailingaway]

I said that Rand is better at explaining the issues than Ron. Would you really disagree with that?

Yes.

I would only agree for a specific target audience. He does best with southern conservatives, imho.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

Take a wild guess.
Regardless, writing in Paul is the worst option.

I agree writing in Paul is the worst option. But I see no reason at all why I would vote for Johnson over Goode.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I said that Rand is better at explaining the issues than Ron. Would you really disagree with that?

Yes.

So do I.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Ron sent out an email stating that it was statistically impossible for him to win the nomination. He made it clear that he had no chance to actually win the nomination, which was his way of giving Rand the freedom to go ahead and endorse Romney.

Funny how Rand haters just gloss over that fact.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Funny how Rand haters just gloss over that fact.

I don't "hate" Rand. I'm just extremely disappointed that he endorsed...AND that he chose that venue to do so.

 

[AuH20]

I don't "hate" Rand. I'm just extremely disappointed that he endorsed...AND that he chose that venue to do so.

High profile candidates always endorse the party nominee over the other guy. Secondly, his endorsement was not unconditional. There are strings attached. Romney can hang himself in the future, if he reneges on them.

 

[freedomordeath]

Maybe someone already mentioned this, didn't read this entire thread, did Romney get selected for a speaking roll, the reason why Ron has not been chosen is because he is up for nomination, the RNC are doing their best to make sure he is not nominated so he can't speak, but logically if you think about it why would he get a speaking roll if he is part of the nomination process.

 

[sailingaway]

Funny how Rand haters just gloss over that fact.

it isn't a fact. He said before the endorsement only that with the delegates he expected to get he didn't expect to win the nomination. He was still fighting for all he could get and never suggested he was pulling out of seeking the nomination if facts unexpectedly turned out that way. The speech at the Texas state convention I posted above in the thread was AFTER that email went out. Judge for yourself. Rand's endorsement came later that same day.

However, to me it doesn't matter because clearly delegates were still fighting for him. That is a losing point imho.

You can still say logic indicated it was extraordinarily unlikely Ron would win at that point but the current argument over 'will Ron have 5 stattes' makes it pretty clear a fight was and is still being fought.


those arguing for Rand here are typically in the Rand Paul forum these days, and may not see the fight as it proceeds, but that argument simply isn't going to be persuasive to those who are paying close attention.

 

[LibertyEagle]

to some

to those who are saying Rand is better than Ron, I suggest you aren't going to get many converts from RON's own campaign forum that way.

They are different and play different roles. Both are needed. It has been said multiple times, but I will say it again. There are a number of people who Ron could not reach, because they did not hear the message amidst all the other distractions. Rand can speak in terms that they understand.

There are not enough of us. Not by a mile. We need someone to be able to get through to these people. I think Rand has the ability to do that.

 

[jkr]

i am disappoint the timing...i wanted to see nominations from the floor followed by a fair vote.

i guess that was too much to ask.
it has been made VERY clear our/my "vote" doesnt mean $hit


feeling sleepy now...maybe i BACK to sleep soon...

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Yes, he can. He won over the Kentucky voters, didn't he? I have watched him explain some of the same concepts that Ron has tried to explain to everyday Republicans and watched them go wild with applause. When with Ron, they didn't understand and thought he was nuts.

And lets put this into context, Kentucky was one of our worst states for Ron Paul voting results in 2008. The south in general and Kentucky aren't libertarian strongholds, but Rand won there while simultaneously defeating the McConnell machine. That's absolutely unprecedented and the majority of people thought it couldn't be done. I had a hard time seeing how Rand could win Kentucky, but he tailored the message beautifully, got well over 600,000 votes in the general election. Now extrapolate those results to much friendlier Paul states like Iowa and New Hampshire Rand will be the second coming of Dan Gable in Iowa. I'm chompin at the bit to kick off the 2016 campaign after Romney gets crushed.