Rand Paul gets speaking slot at Republican National Convention

[parocks]

You can't have it both ways....either it was something he HAD TO do, or it's meaningless. It can't be both.

It's meaningless BECAUSE he had to do it.

He said he'd endorse the nominee. No matter who. What does that endorsement mean? It means that the guy he endorsed was the nominee. He didn't say he'd endorse the nominee if he liked him. He said he'd endorse the nominee.

There was a fairly recent movie in which guy 1 is holding a gun on guy 2 and he's telling guy 2 to apologize. Guy 2 tells guy 1 something like "are you sure this is the type of apology you want, you're holding a gun on me."
In this case, the apology is Meaningless, because he Had To do it, by the guy with the gun.

 

[cajuncocoa]

It's meaningless BECAUSE he had to do it.

He said he'd endorse the nominee. No matter who. What does that endorsement mean? It means that the guy he endorsed was the nominee. He didn't say he'd endorse the nominee if he liked him. He said he'd endorse the nominee.

There was a fairly recent movie in which guy 1 is holding a gun on guy 2 and he's telling guy 2 to apologize. Guy 2 tells guy 1 something like "are you sure this is the type of apology you want, you're holding a gun on me."
In this case, the apology is Meaningless, because he Had To do it, by the guy with the gun.

As mentioned a few posts up by NIU Students for Liberty: he didn't HAVE TO DO IT. Ron Paul never did.

 

[parocks]

I don't like Rand Paul he's a pandering politician endorsing a person who is the ideological opposite of his father. Rand Paul is a fake. Folks, there will never be another Ron Paul in the political theater.As Lew Rockwell and others say there wont be another ron paul he's just so unique. I hope there's chaos at the RNC and the party gets ruined for these neocon mother fuckers. Of course I don't hope violence ensues that's never good I just hope their party gets CRASHED!!!!

Well, a month or 4 ago I was trying to stir up enthusiasm here and elsewhere for project ruin the RNC if we don't get what we want, project Crash it. I thought that we should try for Rand for VP. When Rand endorsed Romney I saw it as a good thing, a clear sign, to me, that we should now focus on getting Rand the VP slot. He's reaching out to Romney, he wants that job. If we see things like this from Rand and Ron, we have to assume that this is part of an overall strategy. I should've known better, but no one else seemed to get that at all. So, right away, the Rand or Wreck plan was off to a rocky start.

Occasionally, I would discuss Kits. Kits contain a set of plans for delegates and the tools to implement those plans. And I typed a bunch of ideas about things that could be done by all the actors cameramen set designers that we had on the floor of the convention. Romney has his ideas about a scripted convention, we have our ideas.

But, honestly, Ron Paul grassroots really isn't mighty. Passionate - yes. I didn't hear any real comment on this. I don't know. You really need to order some tools from China because of the extreme cheapness of some of the parts.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

Ron Paul didn't endorse the Republican nominee when he dropped out of the race in 2008.

Rand Paul didn't have to endorse anyone. I do not know why you don't seem to understand that.

And because Ron didn't, now we had to deal with the constant accusation that "Ron Paul isn't even a Republican, and you LIBERTARIANS are just trying to infiltrate our party."

Rand obviously sees Romney as a better choice than Obama. He would have done the same with Santorum, I imagine. Of course he wouldn't with Obama, that's ridiculous.

I've been saying it for a long time, most of the GOP doesn't care very much for Romney, but they see him as the only legitimate contender to defeat Obama. That is what this election has been all about. And we can stay here in our Liberty Bubbles, and not see the world how it is. I'm not suggesting that we see Romney that way, or that we vote that way. I am just saying we need to recognize that that is how the majority of the GOP sees things.

 

[Brett85]

Ron Paul didn't endorse the Republican nominee when he dropped out of the race in 2008.

Rand Paul didn't have to endorse anyone. I do not know why you don't seem to understand that.

And Ron Paul didn't win the popular vote in a single primary or caucus. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[sailingaway]

And Ron Paul didn't win the popular vote in a single primary or caucus. Thanks for proving my point.

that isn't true. He won the Louisiana caucus popular vote and the Virgin Islands. But the rules say he should be a nominee on the floor of convention if he has five states under delegate rules and under the RULES without cheating, he has and had far more than that.

Why do you obsess with winning the nomination as if it was the only thing being fought for?

 

[Brett85]

that isn't true. He won the Louisiana caucus popular vote and the Virgin Islands. But the rules say he should be a nominee on the floor of convention if he has five states under delegate rules and under the RULES without cheating, he has and had far more than that.

Why do you obsess with winning the nomination as if it was the only thing being fought for?

Winning the Presidency is the obvious point of running for President. You can't implement your agenda if you can't gain power. Rand understands that.

 

[Brett85]

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[LibertyEagle]

Right now, we are fighting to give Dr. Paul his duly-won 15 minutes of unedited speaking time in front of the convention. Media from all over the world will be there. Romney knows that Dr. Paul is capable of opening a lot of eyes with that speech and Romney and his goons are doing everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen.

That is how I see it, anyway.

 

[sailingaway]

Winning the Presidency is the obvious point of running for President. You can't implement your agenda if you can't gain power. Rand understands that.

that is irrelevant. He WAS and IS running for President and there are and always were secondary goals IF IT TURNED OUT HE COULDN"T WIN. We are still trying to achieve those.

 

[LibertyEagle]

As mentioned a few posts up by NIU Students for Liberty: he didn't HAVE TO DO IT. Ron Paul never did.

Yes, he HAD TO do it, or be ostracized from the Republican Party, just like his father was. It is just an endorsement, folks. It is his votes that count. And he actually wants to have the possibility of getting some legislation passed to change some of this crap that we hate so much. Already, his endorsement of a candidate carries weight with other Republicans.

Please get past this.

 

[sailingaway]

He didn't have to THEN, and this speaking slot is new, and detracts from Ron's leverage imho. It is fair to have some discussion. It would be over by now, I suspect if people defending Rand just let the thread die.

 

[cajuncocoa]

He didn't have to THEN, and this speaking slot is new, and detracts from Ron's leverage imho. It is fair to have some discussion. It would be over by now, I suspect if people defending Rand just let the thread die.

Yes. I figure I said all that was necessary to say yesterday.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

What some don't get here is that they are not United States Senators with Presidential ambitions in 2016. In that scenario it was a brilliant move by Rand.

 

[sailingaway]

What some don't get here is that they are not United States Senators with Presidential ambitions in 2016. In that scenario it was a brilliant move by Rand.

You WANT to keep this argument going?

Because his Dad had a presidential campaign going in 2012 with its own ambitions only one of which was attaining the GOP nomination.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You WANT to keep this argument going?

Because his Dad had a presidential campaign going in 2012 with its own ambitions only one of which was attaining the GOP nomination.

I think they do want to keep the thread going, sailing...and I think it has more to do with pushing Rand for 2016 than helping Ron in 2012.

 

[sailingaway]

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