Rand Paul gets speaking slot at Republican National Convention

[sailingaway]

do you really believe Rand was working against Ron?

they both knew Ron could not win after a certain point.. Ron was not after delegates for the purpose of winning the nomination at the point that Rand endorsed.

I wish people would let go of the idea that Ron can win or could win after SC.. its simply not reflective of reality.. Rand did what he had to so he doesnt get pigeon-holed. He is working with Ron not against him, and anyone that thinks different needs to take a closer look.

I wish people would let go of the idea that the nomination was the only thing people were fighting for as a win. Raising Ron's profile as a cap on his long career fighting for us, shining a light on his unique ability to speak to people of all parties across the nation and even the world after being nominated from the floor as the first non sanctioned candidate to do that since the equally non sanctioned Reagan got it in 1976 - those were all things we were, and are fighting for.

You know from traffic here what the endorsement did to enthusiasm, and Ron lost states by a very narrow margin of delegates in some places after that. It may not have been a result, but I think it was pretty predictable people widely would see that endorsement as declaring the end of the fight. That is only my opinion, but it is my opinion and I do think it is reflective of reality.

 

[Kotin]

I wish people would let go of the idea that the nomination was the only thing people were fighting for as a win. Raising Ron's profile as a cap on his long career fighting for us, shining a light on his unique ability to speak to people of all parties across the nation and even the world after being nominated from the floor as the first non sanctioned candidate to do that since the equally non sanctioned Reagan got it in 1976 - those were all things we were, and are fighting for.

none of those things are affected by what Rand did.

 

[AuH20]

Not being 100% pure on every single issue is not "selling your soul."

By my count Rand has already stood up against the Libyan incursion, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the TSA, along with Rubio's reckless "bring Georgia into NATO" amendment that was going to pass unanimously. I would say he's doing pretty damn well, but he's still a traitor for not possessing "principles."

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

No, I'm saying your countering my evidence of Ron's ability to speak to crowds with a fairly dismissive comment that he is old and cute pissed me off.

Ron Paul looking cute riding a bike was a rhetorical, aside comment. No response was expected or needed.

Ron Paul wanting to retire and spend time doing what he loves, namely, spending time with family and exercising by riding bike was my response to your "evidence". If you understood my previous comment you wouldn't feel the need to present photographic evidence of crowds. I never said Ron couldn't get a crowd; rather, I said he speaks to certain segments of the population and vast other segments tune out or are in the dark...especially those over 50+ and women (our two thinnest demographics).

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That's through no fault of his own either. The masses that vote in elections are woefully ignorant and intellectually lazy.

 

[AuH20]

do you really believe Rand was working against Ron?

they both knew Ron could not win after a certain point.. Ron was not after delegates for the purpose of winning the nomination at the point that Rand endorsed.

I wish people would let go of the idea that Ron can win or could win after SC.. its simply not reflective of reality.. Rand did what he had to so he doesnt get pigeon-holed. He is working with Ron not against him, and anyone that thinks different needs to take a closer look.

Rand and Ron have been colluding on this, as if it wasn't blatantly obvious. Hell, they lived together in D.C. for a time. They know exactly what they are doing.

 

[sailingaway]

none of those things are affected by what Rand did.

You missed the part about losing states by a handful of delegate votes where not all turned up. In Texas the next day at the convention a delegate was actually tweeting #Idon'tcarewhatRanddoes as a hashtag.

 

[Kotin]

You missed the part about losing states by a handful of delegate votes where not all turned up.

I may be wrong, but I am almost 100% sure that no matter what, Romney never would have let that happen.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Not being 100% pure on every single issue is not "selling your soul."

Sure. You could be 95% pure, or even 80% pure. And then, you could endorse Mitt Romney ON THE SEAN HANNITY SHOW while your Dad's grassroots supporters are still trying to get delegates for him and a speaking slot at the convention.

 

[sailingaway]

I may be wrong, but I am almost 100% sure that no matter what, Romney never would have let that happen.

where we had enough people there he wasn't able to stop us, yet, at least, he still is challenging in credentials. But challenging and disqualifying one state so there aren't 5 is easier in a PR sense than challenging and disqualifying several to keep there from not being 5.

 

[Brett85]

Sure. You could be 95% pure, or even 80% pure. And then, you could endorse Mitt Romney ON THE SEAN HANNITY SHOW while your Dad's grassroots supporters are still trying to get delegates for him and a speaking slot at the convention.

Ron sent out an email stating that it was statistically impossible for him to win the nomination. He made it clear that he had no chance to actually win the nomination, which was his way of giving Rand the freedom to go ahead and endorse Romney.

 

[sailingaway]

where we had enough people there he wasn't able to stop us, yet, at least, he still is challenging in credentials. But challenging and disqualifying one state so there aren't 5 is easier in a PR sense than challenging and disqualifying several to keep there from not being 5.

Look, I don't want to have an anti-Rand rant. I am responding to statements I disagree with.

I'm done, if no one else addresses my comments.

 

[Brett85]

And, it's just silly to be opposed to Rand because of one action he took, rather than because of his voting record. I still haven't heard a single person mention what they dislike about Rand's voting record.

 

[Brett85]

You keep saying this without naming a single issue they disagree on.

I'm still hearing crickets.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

There is a segment that hates that Rand is gaining traction. It started before he even won Kentucky. I advise they go back to their Libertarian clubhouse where they can brainstorm how they can break 1%.

The funny thing is I consider myself a pretty staunch libertarian, but part of being libertarian is getting real life results and not burying your head in the sand. The fact of the matter is the Libertarian party has been a 40 year disappointment. Ron Paul's strategy of bringing in libertarians and libertarian ideals to the republican party was brilliant and working!! Extraordinary results in only 4 years! Step back and think about that, that seemed complete fantasy when Bush was President didn't it? Now if you're a Paul supporter in Iowa, Maine, Nevada, Minnesota, etc you won't be ostracized from the party; hell we ARE the party!

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ron sent out an email stating that it was statistically impossible for him to win the nomination. He made it clear that he had no chance to actually win the nomination, which was his way of giving Rand the freedom to go ahead and endorse Romney.

And he did it on HANNITY. As if it's not bad enough that he did it all by itself.

 

[Brett85]

And he did it on HANNITY. As if it's not bad enough that he did it all by itself.

Yes, the Republican base loves Hannity. Rand wants to do what Ron never could do, which is win over rank and file Republican voters.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yes, the Republican base loves Hannity. Rand wants to do what Ron never could do, which is win over rank and file Republican voters.

He never will, unless he pretends to be something his supporters here say he's not.

 

[LibertyEagle]

"Rand will win over thousands of new converts because he's intelligent, funny, and charismatic."

Rand is intelligent? I haven't seen many smart political decisions by him honestly, other than running on his father's name/record to get elected. Rand Paul did nothing on his own that I'm aware of, to run for Senate other than use his father's name/record and resources. How much of it was actually Rand, not sure.

As for "intelligent" "funny" "charismatic" I don't get any of those from when I have heard him speak or be interviewed. I'm being serious. If you can't do the biggest endorsement you are doing in the 2012 campaign the right way, that doesn't show intelligence.
Funny? Charismatic? Am I missing something here? I seriously think there are going to be some people that are surprised when the "establishment" turns on Rand in 2015/2016, because they don't trust him and then what will his up "friendship" with the GOP have gained him? Absolutely nothing. It's exactly why Rick Santorum has more credibility from this campaign, than Ron Paul and company. Rick Santorum absolutely attacked Romney and was attacked back, but even after Rick Santorum said things like Mitt Romney is the same as Obama, he gets a speaking slot at the convention...yet some thought not attacking Romney would give RP a speaking slot. LOL.

So, what's your plan? Beat the rush and insult him now? You must not be watching his speeches and votes, because he is doing a fantastic job for liberty.

 

[Cody1]

So, what's your plan? Beat the rush and insult him now? You must not be watching his speeches and votes, because he is doing a fantastic job for liberty.

Lol that's the vibe I've been getting as well.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He never will, unless he pretends to be something his supporters here say he's not.

Yes, he can. He won over the Kentucky voters, didn't he? I have watched him explain some of the same concepts that Ron has tried to explain to everyday Republicans and watched them go wild with applause. When with Ron, they didn't understand and thought he was nuts.