Rand Paul, George P. Bush talk Hispanic outreach

[Brett85]

So do you think that he supports amnesty-lite or no? Seems like you agree with me that he does. Secure borders, pathway to citizenship through legal immigration, and opposition to illegal immigration is not exactly a non-mainstream position.

So you think that anything short of advocating the mass deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants is "amnesty-lite?"

 

[Anti-Neocon]

So you think that anything short of advocating the mass deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants is "amnesty-lite?"

They can stay here, but not get the benefits of citizenship. If they want those, to the back of the line. Law breaking should not be encouraged.

 

[fr33]

If "Hispanic outreach" is not a code word for amnesty/path to citizenship, then please tell me what you think "Hispanic outreach" entails. It's not like he was talking to Ted Cruz about outreach either. It was GP freakin' Bush.

Getting Hispanics to vote for the GOP. Duh. There are many Hispanic voters in Texas and have been for over a hundred years. You seek to ignore them and discount their votes and discount any outreach to them.

 

[libertarian101]

I would have to think that Rand Paul is trying to advocate for an eventual path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Until I hear him say something along the lines of "if you come here illegally, you will never become a citizen and neither will your children", then I'll have to assume that he supports a pathway to citizenship.

Rand is so delusional it's unbelievable , he is the most pro amnesty politicians from both party. Even McConnell opponent is to the right of Rand on immigration. Rand will lose national GOP primary and will become a one term senator because he abandoned his campaign promise and stabbed Kentuckians voters in the back by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What is your solution for businesses who need skilled workers but lack that resource in the US?

What is our solution to a lie?

The biggest problem facing America is the fact that I can't buy a mansion on the coast for $20k. What is your solution to that problem? (Paying market value is not an option).

 

[Rudeman]

If "Hispanic outreach" is not a code word for amnesty/path to citizenship, then please tell me what you think "Hispanic outreach" entails. It's not like he was talking to Ted Cruz about outreach either. It was GP freakin' Bush.

Hispanic outreach simply means trying to get their vote. It's no different than outreach to any other group. Rand isn't going to say what you want because it is politically stupid. Just look at his proposal, it's basically what you support. Allow them to stay but no citizenship unless they decide to go to the back of the line and wait and that's only after they secure the border first. So what's the big problem?

 

[Rudeman]

What is our solution to a lie?

The biggest problem facing America is the fact that I can't buy a mansion on the coast for $20k. What is your solution to that problem? (Paying market value is not an option).

What's the lie? Unless you plan on living in Detroit I doubt you can buy a mansion for $20k anywhere in the US not just the coast.

 

[compromise]

If "Hispanic outreach" is not a code word for amnesty/path to citizenship, then please tell me what you think "Hispanic outreach" entails. It's not like he was talking to Ted Cruz about outreach either. It was GP freakin' Bush.

I'm not against Rand's path to citizenship, but Hispanic outreach means a whole lot more than a path to citizenship. It could involve:

- Collaboration between Hispanic community leaders and Republicans
- More GOP marketing campaigns in Spanish
- Running more Hispanic candidates
- Toning down nativist rhetoric
- Expanding legal immigration, as Sen. Cruz supports

 

[KingNothing]

The second line of your post states that anything except compromise is immature.

No. You don't say "I'll back off of my position on 2A to gain a little ground with you on taxes." You work with people who support 2A to push legislation that you find favorable. You don't have to sell out your beliefs - you have to compartmentalize them, and find friends to support each of them.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What is your solution for businesses who need skilled workers but lack that resource in the US?

What's the lie? Unless you plan on living in Detroit I doubt you can buy a mansion for $20k anywhere in the US not just the coast.

The lie is highlighted. They can't find a skilled worker. Yeah, right. They can't find a worker for a dirt cheap price with a visa dog collar. And they don't even look for Americans.

That is like a person saying they can't find a beach house for $20k, and they haven't even looked, but the government needs to fix that. And the proposed solution is for the government to provide a certain number of beach mansions for $20k, and sell them all to Gates and Zuckerberg. That's some solution.

 

[Brett85]

They can stay here, but not get the benefits of citizenship. If they want those, to the back of the line. Law breaking should not be encouraged.

Ok, but that's exactly what Rand's position is.

 

[RandallFan]

Even liberals believe Texas wont turn Blue until 2036.

There are a lot of monolithic Republican white voters and interstate white voters moving to Texas.

Hispanics dont have enough adult legal American citizens in Texas to send to the polls in the next 20 years. Hopefully Rand is retired by then and he can let someone else worry about it.

Do white voters stop voting when they turn 50?

Some individual Hispanics only what their cool uncles to be able to immigrate at a personal level. If Legal immigration became 90% Asian and illegal immigration was stopped some Hispanics would vote Republican to lower legal immigration.

They can stay here, but not get the benefits of citizenship. If they want those, to the back of the line. Law breaking should not be encouraged.

What about EBT cards and driving cards? How much will they cost the taxpayer? What about the illegals in blue states who will be getting more freebies when they become legalized? What about the Legals having to wait months for visas so they can process the Dreamers.

 

[Rudeman]

The lie is highlighted. They can't find a skilled worker. Yeah, right. They can't find a worker for a dirt cheap price with a visa dog collar. And they don't even look for Americans.

That is like a person saying they can't find a beach house for $20k, and they haven't even looked, but the government needs to fix that. And the proposed solution is for the government to provide a certain number of beach mansions for $20k, and sell them all to Gates and Zuckerberg. That's some solution.

It sure seems like there are a lot of openings for skilled workers and it isn't just limited to programming.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It sure seems like there are a lot of openings for skilled workers and it isn't just limited to programming.

"Fake" job openings have been standard fare for many decades. It is very common in government, where there are rules that there has to be a public "open req" for a position. Quite often, the position is a promotion for someone already working there and the req is written by that person to exactly match themselves. They then "get" the job when no one else "qualifies". This same technique has been used for the past 15 years or so for importing workers. The req is written such that no one can fill it, or the people doing the screening just reject all applications. These openings are then counted as the "jobs Americans can't do" or "can't find this expertise". It's a big farce.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It sure seems like there are a lot of openings for skilled workers and it isn't just limited to programming.

And there is another reason for "fake" open reqs (i.e. they really aren't hiring, but they will have an "opening"). It happens at larger companies a lot. Many times, an open req will count as a person when layoffs happen. For instance, you have 10 people working for you, with 2 additional open reqs. A 10% workforce reduction is called for from the top. You can close one of those open reqs, and it's the same as laying off a real person. "Wow, we were just about to hire someone for that job, guess we can lay them off before they even start, and that will be our 10% cut." And here's a kicker: if someone questions a long standing open req, the answer will be..."we can't find anyone qualified".

 

[libertygold]

I see nothing wrong with this. There is no compromise on matters of principle to at least discuss ways of reaching a large demographic which has been going to the Democrats.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

My fear is that Rafael Ted Cruz/Rubio (and Iran war lobby that they have been ailimg to please) is not going to be happy with this development.
In "ethnic politics" this could be a very interesting move.

I don't know if a banker from Miami can say anything about Hispanic outreach that Reince could have said. ..

Depends how his views overall stack up against those of Alan Dershowitz trained lawyer from Canada, Ted Cruz. I don't much about the younger Bush but he could be a better ally for Rand than Cruz.

 

[luke78]

Nothing wrong with it. The important thing is the better work habits and willingness to learn.

 

[William Tell]

Can you prove some evidence for these accusations against Wenzel? Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't know Wenzel well. Lew Rockwell seems to think he's a good guy so I'd want to see some evidence before assuming Rockwell is wrong.

Sure, I don't know if you would agree with me, but at least I can show you why I said that. I don't care if Lew Rockwell likes him or not, Robert Wenzel still acts like a weasel. Wenzel has been posting nasty stuff ever since he got egg on his face after posting this: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/10/more-evidence-that-campaign-for-liberty.html

Of course, after Ron came out and personally endorsed Cuccinelli, Wenzel had to alter his spin slightly. And that is when it started getting really ugly, he posts any obscure trash he can find. And ties it in with guilt by association, and innuendos. That may be his right, but it gains him no love from me. Here is some stuff he has published since then.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/10/on-sad-ron-paul-endorsement-of-ken.html

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/08/ron-paul-vs-ron-paul-inc.html

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/01/whats-in-store-for-ron-paul-inc-in-2014.html

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/02/rand-paul-playing-with-fire-demands.html