Rand Paul, George P. Bush talk Hispanic outreach

[Rudeman]

The second line of your post states that anything except compromise is immature.

Building a coalition is not compromise. Even Ron Paul promoted building coalitions.

 

[Pisces]

I think the Texas GOP is already doing a fairly good job reaching out to Hispanics without any help from George P, who hasn't been elected to anything yet in Texas.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Texas Hispanics are decidedly Democratic in their political party preferences, 46% to 27%, but that 19-percentage-point Democratic advantage is much smaller in Texas than the average 30-point gap Democrats enjoy among the Hispanic population in the other 49 states. And white Texas residents are decidedly more Republican (61%) than the average among whites residing in other states (48%), complicating whether Texas will turn into a "blue" Democratic state in future elections...

Relative to 2008 -- the year of President Barack Obama's landslide presidential victory -- Texan Hispanics have gradually become more Republican, even as the percentage of Hispanics identifying with or leaning toward the Republican Party has remained relatively stable nationwide. The six-percentage-point gap between the percentage of Texan Hispanics and Hispanics living in all other states who identify or lean GOP is the highest it has been in over six years.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/167339/texan-hispanics-tilt-democratic-state-likely-stay-red.aspx

I have a few theories as to why Texas Hispanics are more likely to be Republican. For example, I think fracking can take some of the credit. This may seem out of left field unless you've spent some time in South Texas. The Eagle Ford shale boom is pulling a lot of formerly poor Anglos and Tejanos into the middle class. Middle class native Texans, both white and Hispanic live in the same neighborhoods, intermarry and hold very similar views. At least that is what I've noticed. Also, the perception that Democrats are against the oil and gas industry may be hurting them in South Texas. Some of this is just my speculation, but I think it's reasonable speculation.

Given this trend, there's no reason to believe that opposing amnesty and increased immigration will doom the GOP in Texas. To be honest, some of the most anti-immigrant and anti-Mexican statements I've ever heard have come out of the mouths of native Texas Hispanics.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Building a coalition is not compromise. Even Ron Paul promoted building coalitions.

Ron Paul supported building coalitions for liberty issues. "Hispanic outreach" aka amnesty aka open borders is not a liberty issue to most people.

 

[Crashland]

Multiculturalism is a fools game that's being pushed onto the unaware.

The liberty movement needs to be aware.

Multiculturalism is a product of liberty. If a society does not value multiculturalism it's a sign that liberty is dying.

 

[Brett85]

Ron Paul supported building coalitions for liberty issues. "Hispanic outreach" aka amnesty aka open borders is not a liberty issue to most people.

Ron Paul was far worse on this issue than Rand. He didn't even support building the fence along the border and basically ran on a platform of open borders when he ran for President in 2012.

 

[Rudeman]

Ron Paul supported building coalitions for liberty issues. "Hispanic outreach" aka amnesty aka open borders is not a liberty issue to most people.

Why is "Hispanic outreach" = amnesty? What do you think African American outreach is = to? Or outreach to women? Rand knows you can't win nationally simply relying on the white male vote anymore.

 

[Rudeman]

Ron Paul was far worse on this issue than Rand. He didn't even support building the fence along the border and basically ran on a platform of open borders when he ran for President in 2012.

The free market position is in favor of open borders, of course that only works without all the govt. benefits.

 

[mczerone]

I guess they let anti-liberty people post here?

Seriously though, is there any VALID reason for the Wenzel hate? Or is it just that he doesn't support Rand's pandering?

Here is a good reason: He's not Robert Wenzel. (skip the first couple of sections for the real controversy)

He's a conman, he's taken the basics of Austrian insights and trades them for subscriptions. He plagiarizes while railing against others for plagiarizing. He doesn't have any unique or original thoughts on economics, he just regurgitates the basics with either stolen or flamboyant and poorly constructed language.

If you're in for a little masochism, search out the Wenzel/Kinsella IP "debate." Not only was Wenzel out of his league, but he couldn't do anything but find Rothbard quotes, out of context, to throw back at Kinsella - and call him names.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Why is "Hispanic outreach" = amnesty? What do you think African American outreach is = to? Or outreach to women? Rand knows you can't win nationally simply relying on the white male vote anymore.

If you admit that the GOP's strength right now is whites, then how does a path to citizenship for illegal non-whites help the GOP?

Rand's best chance of winning and keeping the GOP in power for a while in the future is to remodel its message so that it is no longer the un-hip party of old people. He can pull the same kind of campaign that Obama pulled against Hillary in 2008 - be the candidate of change, transparency, non-intervention, and of course legal weed. He can highlight how he is a living example of family values without going full retard on so-con issues. Leave all those to the states.

 

[axiomata]

What's with all these no compromise self defined libertarians taking the anti liberty anti legal immigration positions? I preferred the libertarian purists who wouldn't compromise with conservatives.

There's room to debate illegal immigration and what to do about it. There's no room for anti immigration and anti immigrants rhetoric in the libertarian movement.

 

[Brett85]

If you admit that the GOP's strength right now is whites, then how does a path to citizenship for illegal non-whites help the GOP?

Who is advocating a path to citizenship?

 

[fr33]

"Hispanic outreach" is just a codeword for amnesty.

Is it really? Do you live in Texas? And if so, how many Mexican voters do you know? Hispanics have been American citizens here longer than my folks. There are many hard working conservative hispanics here. People like you promote the narrative that republicans hate brown people.

 

[Brett85]

People like you promote the narrative that republicans hate brown people.

And that's what Rand is trying to change. People just don't understand the political reality of what's going on. The Hispanics are going to become the majority before too long even without amnesty or a path to citizenship, because they just reproduce a lot faster than any other group. The only way to win elections is to try to win them over to your side, and I think Rand can.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

What's with all these no compromise self defined libertarians taking the anti liberty anti legal immigration positions? I preferred the libertarian purists who wouldn't compromise with conservatives.

There's room to debate illegal immigration and what to do about it. There's no room for anti immigration and anti immigrants rhetoric in the libertarian movement.

You very well know that the topic at hand is illegal immigration. Don't act dumb. And not all of us here are "libertarians".

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Who is advocating a path to citizenship?

I would have to think that Rand Paul is trying to advocate for an eventual path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Until I hear him say something along the lines of "if you come here illegally, you will never become a citizen and neither will your children", then I'll have to assume that he supports a pathway to citizenship.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Is it really? Do you live in Texas? And if so, how many Mexican voters do you know? Hispanics have been American citizens here longer than my folks. There are many hard working conservative hispanics here. People like you promote the narrative that republicans hate brown people.

Um, what? I am close to several legal Hispanic citizens, and believe they are deserving of the same rights as anyone else of any other race/ethnicity. Stop pulling out the race card and trying to make this about an imagined dislike for "brown people".

 

[Brett85]

I would have to think that Rand Paul is trying to advocate for an eventual path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Until I hear him say something along the lines of "if you come here illegally, you will never become a citizen and neither will your children", then I'll have to assume that he supports a pathway to citizenship.

He voted against the Senate bill and has proposed his own bill that is really pretty restrictive. You just want him to take a position that would make him completely unelectable in a general election.

 

[fr33]

Um, what? I am close to several legal Hispanic citizens, and believe they are deserving of the same rights as anyone else of any other race/ethnicity. Stop pulling out the race card and trying to make this about an imagined dislike for "brown people".

Hey you're the one assigning "code words" to hispanic outreach.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

He voted against the Senate bill and has proposed his own bill that is really pretty restrictive. You just want him to take a position that would make him completely unelectable in a general election.

So do you think that he supports amnesty-lite or no? Seems like you agree with me that he does. Secure borders, pathway to citizenship through legal immigration, and opposition to illegal immigration is not exactly a non-mainstream position.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Hey you're the one assigning "code words" to hispanic outreach.

If "Hispanic outreach" is not a code word for amnesty/path to citizenship, then please tell me what you think "Hispanic outreach" entails. It's not like he was talking to Ted Cruz about outreach either. It was GP freakin' Bush.