Rand Paul, George P. Bush talk Hispanic outreach
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The amnesty issue isn't important to me, although I do think that border security is important, and Rand is probably stronger than any other member of Congress when it comes to securing the border. But I don't care what we do with the 11 million who are already here when we have so many more vital and important issues like defending the Bill of Rights, stopping and ending wars, preserving states rights, repealing Obamacare, etc. I just can't understand how the immigration issue of all things is the one issue that's the most important issue and a deal breaker for some people.
Really, Rand is far stronger on border security and immigration than Ron ever was, and I never heard any of these "immigration hawks" on this forum criticize Ron for his immigration stance. He even received an F rating from an anti illegal immigration group that gives out grades.
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Ron didn't flip flop. Rand did. Rand ran in 2010 in support of the Arizona law. If you legalize the illegals, Joe Arpaio is going to be sitting in a prison instead for trying to enforce the law.
If you legalize them they get all the freebies.
I think Ron was solid on anchor babies whereas Rand has backed away after sponsoring a bill with David Vitter in 2011.
It is not even so much the issue because I dont see an anchor baby issue being dealth with by congress. It wont pass the Senate filibuster.
If you legalize them they get all the freebies.
I think Ron was solid on anchor babies whereas Rand has backed away after sponsoring a bill with David Vitter in 2011.
It is not even so much the issue because I dont see an anchor baby issue being dealth with by congress. It wont pass the Senate filibuster.
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Then you've yet to understand the goals of Marxist ideology at work in America.
Ron did flip flop. Ron voted to build the fence along the border, and then later said that he was opposed to it. He said that he was opposed to amnesty in any form, and then in his book he wrote that he supported giving a legal status to illegal immigrants that fell short of citizenship.
What I mean is that it's not as important as other issues. And Rand isn't advocating any kind of immediate amnesty, but actually waiting four or five years to make sure the border is secure, then giving out work VISA's to those here illegally. They would only be allowed to become citizens if they got in the back of the line behind everyone else, the same way that they would try to become citizens if they lived in another country. Rand isn't saying that they should be given immediate citizenship or should be allowed to cut in line in front of those who have already applied to become citizens. It seems pretty reasonable to me. The only point I really disagree with him on is that I think they should have to pay a fine or receive other penalties before they become citizens.
That's the standard Marxist line that all of them are crowing.
Anyone who says that anything short of deporting 11 million illegal immigrants is "amnesty."
So your solution is to just have government agents break into people's homes, drag them out of their homes, put them on buses and take them back to their home country? That would massively expand the police state if that were to happen.
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Who the hell said anything about compromising?
This Bush probably dislikes taxes, and he probably dislikes the red tape and regulations that our government has shackled businesses with. On those issues, we can work with him. If he wants to destroy civil liberties or wage foolish wars abroad, we can disagree with him on those issues.
It's an immature mind that tries to force everyone into an "all or nothing" condition for working together.
My solution is to end illegal immigration,...and more than a bit of legal immigration,..and to enforce the laws regarding illegal immigration by deporting all who aren't authorized to be living in America.
Multiculturalism is a fools game that's being pushed onto the unaware.
The liberty movement needs to be aware.
The second line of your post states that anything except compromise is immature.
I'm all in favor of ending illegal immigration, and so is Rand, but I'm not sure why a libertarian would advocate a mass deportation of illegal immigrants when that would be a massive expansion of government power and a massive expansion of the police state. You would literally have government agents coming into people's homes and dragging them out. It would be like the Elian Gonzalez situation times 11 million.
The massive influx of immigrants,..both legal *and* illegal, is indicative of massive government expansion.
Good read:
http://www.marylandthursdaymeeting.com/Archives/SpecialWebDocuments/Cultural.Marxism.htm
Excerpt:
In his columns on the next conservatism, Paul Weyrich has several times referred to “cultural Marxism.” He asked me, as Free Congress Foundation’s resident historian, to write this column explaining what cultural Marxism is and where it came from. In order to understand what something is, you have to know its history.
Cultural Marxism is a branch of western Marxism, different from the Marxism-Leninism of the old Soviet Union. It is commonly known as “multiculturalism” or, less formally, Political Correctness. From its beginning, the promoters of cultural Marxism have known they could be more effective if they concealed the Marxist nature of their work, hence the use of terms such as “multiculturalism.”
http://www.marylandthursdaymeeting.com/Archives/SpecialWebDocuments/Cultural.Marxism.htm
Excerpt:
In his columns on the next conservatism, Paul Weyrich has several times referred to “cultural Marxism.” He asked me, as Free Congress Foundation’s resident historian, to write this column explaining what cultural Marxism is and where it came from. In order to understand what something is, you have to know its history.
Cultural Marxism is a branch of western Marxism, different from the Marxism-Leninism of the old Soviet Union. It is commonly known as “multiculturalism” or, less formally, Political Correctness. From its beginning, the promoters of cultural Marxism have known they could be more effective if they concealed the Marxist nature of their work, hence the use of terms such as “multiculturalism.”
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He didnt say that. I don't personally know any, but I guess he is referring specifically to the ultra hipster type of libertarian who takes pride in being different.
I guess each person is different, but even when I don't entirely agree with Rands stances on things, (Iran sanctions a big one) i still see the bigger good and know we could be on the verge of a huge victory for liberty as a whole. Getting someone elected who opposes the corporate welfare and the current system of government which is sucking the life out of the economy would be a huge win.
But first he has to get elected. Politics is a dirty word, but I'm glad that Rand and others are playing elite level fastball. Think about it, it was not long ago he's looking at people's eyes for a living, next thing you know he's a serious contender for the White House. Who better in congress? Nobody. I'm excited, and comments like yours and others who trash Rand or his strategy leave me kinda knowing that this forum will not be an asset to any true movement to get liberty candidates elected. Sorry, but all we have here are keyboard warriors.
Well lets here your solution, how would you end illegal immigration while at the same time also reducing immigration? What would you do with all current immigrants both legal and illegal? What is your solution for businesses who need skilled workers but lack that resource in the US?
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