Rand Paul, George P. Bush talk Hispanic outreach

[Christian Liberty]

Don't you respect people who stand uncompromisingly on their worldview, even if it may be wrong? I do.

Adolf Hitler was a consistent statist. Do you respect him?

I know this is an absurd comparison (From what I understand, I like Wenzel). But, I think it proves that you shouldn't respect someone just because they are consistent.

 

[T.hill]

Who honestly thinks Ron would have behaved any differently in this situation?

Are we not suppose to associate with people who don't think exactly like us?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Who honestly thinks Ron would have behaved any differently in this situation?

Are we not suppose to associate with people who don't think exactly like us?

There might be merit to doing that at some point, but no we aren't "supposed" to do that. Even still, the advocacy for violence as IMMORAL is hard for most to grasp.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Amnesty only hastens Texas turning purple and eventually blue. Amnesty makes the entire country California.

 

[Brett85]

Amnesty only hastens Texas turning purple and eventually blue. Amnesty makes the entire country California.

Rand isn't advocating citizenship and allowing them to vote, but rather just giving them work VISA's after the border is secure. They would be working here and paying taxes but not voting. I don't see why that position upsets people so much.

 

[Smitty]

This statement loses my vote.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/rand-...rs-if-republicans-dont-change/article/2543726

Paul said that Immigration could be one area that Republicans could adjust their position in order to attract more people to the party.

“We won’t all agree on it,” Paul said. “But I’ll tell you, what I will say and what I’ll continue to say, and it’s not an exact policy prescription ... but if you want to work and you want a job and you want to be part of America, we’ll find a place for you.”

 

[Brett85]

This statement loses my vote.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/rand-...rs-if-republicans-dont-change/article/2543726

Paul said that Immigration could be one area that Republicans could adjust their position in order to attract more people to the party.

“We won’t all agree on it,” Paul said. “But I’ll tell you, what I will say and what I’ll continue to say, and it’s not an exact policy prescription ... but if you want to work and you want a job and you want to be part of America, we’ll find a place for you.”

Weird. He loses your vote for advocating legal immigration? Sometimes I can't even tell any difference between the libertarians on this site and the free republic types, when it comes to immigration. Rand is taking a more libertarian position on immigration, even though he isn't taking the full blown anarchist position of supporting open borders.

 

[Smitty]

Sometimes I can't even tell any difference between the libertarians on this site and the free republic types, when it comes to immigration.

If Chris Christie had said those words would you be defending him?

It's way past time to own up.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Weird. He loses your vote for advocating legal immigration? Sometimes I can't even tell any difference between the libertarians on this site and the free republic types, when it comes to immigration. Rand is taking a more libertarian position on immigration, even though he isn't taking the full blown anarchist position of supporting open borders.

What's a "free republic" type? I'm not sure why supporting open borders would necessarily make one an anarchist. Personally, my ideal is that the only thing that could ever prevent someone from traveling where they want is private property. But, I agree that that's not completely feasible right now. I'm mostly OK with Rand's position on this issue but I'd prefer him to flat out say that anyone can come but only if they forfeit their rights to vote or collect government benefits upon entry.

 

[Smitty]

I'd prefer him to flat out say that anyone can come but only if they forfeit their rights to vote or collect government benefits upon entry.

He's not going to say that.

It's not acceptable to the Marxist/multicultural ideology.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He's not going to say that.

It's not acceptable to the Marxist/multicultural ideology.

I know he won't. Just saying what my position is. Which, oh the horror, means I support open borders

 

[Smitty]

I don't know what you support,...don't care.

Rand is giving a mealy mouthed endorsement for amnesty.

His entire political career is a study in how to be a mealy mouthed politician.

Mealy mouthed politicians are a dime a dozen.

The liberty movement doesn't need to get involved with them,..regardless of what their last name happens to be.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I don't know what you support,...don't care.

Rand is giving a mealy mouthed endorsement for amnesty.

His entire political career is a study in how to be a mealy mouthed politician.

Mealy mouthed politicians are a dime a dozen.

The liberty movement doesn't need to get involved with them,..regardless of what their last name happens to be.

I'm more worried about Rand's Iran stances, TBH. Rand isn't supporting amnesty, he still wants to make illegal immigrants get to the back of the line for citizenship.

 

[Smitty]

Sure he does.

 

[KingNothing]

I guess they let anti-liberty people post here?

Seriously though, is there any VALID reason for the Wenzel hate? Or is it just that he doesn't support Rand's pandering?

YUCK! HOW DARE RAND FOCUS ON BUILDING COALITIONS TO FIGHT FOR LIBERTY!??! DOUBLE YUCK!

 

[KingNothing]

George P has done a good job trying to expand the GOP to include more ethnic minorities, especially Hispanics. It makes sense for Rand to meet him.

The lunatic fringe doesn't want to win. If we win, we wouldn't be hip and cool. Better to be a cool, outsider than a winner, in their mind.

Really, all Rand did was SPEAK to someone and these lunatics are put off by it. Threads like this make me remember why I post here less now than I used to.

 

[Smitty]

Every neocon out there is fighting to build a coalition.

I don't give a rat's ass about a coalition *or* the health of the GOP.

Partisan politics is for liars and knotheads.

Freedom and liberty is for people who can think beyond the Democrat/Republican paradigm.

 

[Smitty]

The lunatic fringe doesn't want to win. If we win, we wouldn't be hip and cool. Better to be a cool, outsider than a winner, in their mind.

Really, all Rand did was SPEAK to someone and these lunatics are put off by it. Threads like this make me remember why I post here less now than I used to.

So now advocates of liberty is a "lunatic fringe"?

This forum has gone to hell.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

YUCK! HOW DARE RAND FOCUS ON BUILDING COALITIONS TO FIGHT FOR LIBERTY!??! DOUBLE YUCK!

I agree with your train of thought, but in perspective I don't. How is George P. BUSH part of any "liberty coalition"? Especially when the goal of their meeting has already been established - "Hispanic outreach" aka amnesty.

 

[Rudeman]

Every neocon out there is fighting to build a coalition.

I don't give a rat's ass about a coalition *or* the health of the GOP.

Partisan politics is for liars and knotheads.

Freedom and liberty is for people who can think beyond the Democrat/Republican paradigm.

Ron Paul believed in building coalitions. If you isolate yourself you'll get nothing done.