Rand Paul Falsely Accused of Plagiarizing NSA Lawsuit by Mattie Fein

[Publicani]

Typical red herring.

There are plenty of court cases where people change their lawyers along the way for one reason or another. Paul paid the guy for his work and he accepted payment. His work product belongs to Paul. plagiarizing not only doesn't apply here - it's absolutely irrelevant. And it is ridiculous - it's not a literary work. If a sentence expresses what Paul wanted to say - it belongs there. It would be an idiotic exercise from the pursuit of justice point of view to try to express the same thought using different words.

There may be unresolved issue about the amount of money that is due to the lawyer, but it's almost never discussed publicly. This is not good for the attorney business and doesn't help to get the money if any money are due.

Another point. I understand that it wasn't even the lawyer who came up with this accusation but his ex-wife, but the lawyer should have put an end to it right away.

Finally, remember Obama was caught with the entire speech of Massachusetts governor stolen? Nobody cared, nobody remembers.

I have many problems with Rand, but plagiarizing is not one of them. Red herring.

 

[jbauer]

Like the tomato grower whose tomatoes were stolen is pleased by how the freshness and quality of his tomatoes are known and appreciated by the family who ate them.

Says the guy how ate the tomatoes and not the guy who worked decades to get it right.

 

[angelatc]

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Finally, remember Obama was caught with the entire speech of Massachusetts governor stolen? Nobody cared, nobody remembers.

I have many problems with Rand, but plagiarizing is not one of them. Red herring.

I have idea whether or not this will be an issue for Rand. If I've learned nothing else in my 50 years, it's that the issues that most other people take seriously are issues that I do not care that much about. And vice versa.

But the reason that Obama (and Biden's) plagiarism isn't remembered is because the media chose not to remind us of it.

 

[mit26chell]

This is all a bunch of hearsay until the source, Bruce Fein, actually speaks. So far it's just his ex-wife running her trap.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I need to clarify something here. I already added an edit in the post where I said I had been informed by someone here that Mattie Fein was Bruce's ex-wife. Apparently, that may not be true. From what I found out by googling last night, they did file for divorce, but because of their many business arrangements chose to not go through with it, but live separately. So, while it may be a marriage in name only, as the articles say, they appear to still be married from what I can tell.

I apologize for any confusion that I caused on this matter.

 

[libertyjam]

How...the hell...can a lawsuit be Plagiarism? Seriously.

This! Tempast in a teacup. legalese in publicly filed documents are not copyright material, it is not some scholarly tome with someone's unique musings. Fein should be flattered that another liked his wording so much that they were able to use them again in the cause of the lawsuits.

What next, every contract is a unique expression of an agreement and anyone wishing to accomplish the same thing will have to come up with ever more obtuse language to avoid copying someone else's work?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Rand Paul didn’t plagiarize his NSA lawsuit

Tsai3904 posted this in another thread and I thought it should be posted here too.

Bruce Fein denies Mattie's allegations, says her quotes didn't represent his views

Did Rand Paul lift legal work from a celebrated conservative lawyer without fully paying him? The attorney in question says he didn’t.

...

A spokesperson for RANDPAC forwarded an email from Fein denying Mattie Fein’s allegations. “Mattie Lolavar was not speaking for me,” Fein said in the email. “Her quotes were her own and did not represent my views. I was working on a legal team, and have been paid for my work.” Bruce Fein confirmed to msnbc that the email was from him.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-didnt-plagiarize-his-nsa-lawsuit

More:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-didnt-plagiarize-his-nsa-lawsuit

Remember, Mattie Fein was the one who misrepresented Lon Snowden's views about Glenn Greenwald. Looks like she did the same thing again here.

 

[angelatc]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-didnt-plagiarize-his-nsa-lawsuit

ROTFL at the article, titled: Rand Paul didn’t plagiarize his NSA lawsuit .

First line, after the picture: Editor’s note: This is an updated version of an earlier story headlined “Rand Paul accused of plagiarizing his NSA lawsuit.”


Updated. Not corrected, no apology for the lack of fact-checking.

 

[LibertyEagle]

ROTFL at the article, titled: Rand Paul didn’t plagiarize his NSA lawsuit .

First line, after the picture: Editor’s note: This is an updated version of an earlier story headlined “Rand Paul accused of plagiarizing his NSA lawsuit.”


Updated. Not corrected, no apology for the lack of fact-checking.

Indeed, and they end with this:

The Kentucky Senator has previously come under criticism for lifting work without attribution in op-eds, speeches, and even his book. But when it comes to his lawsuit against the NSA, the accusation appears to be without merit.

MSNBC is such a pile of Marxist sleezeballs.

 

[Crashland]

Well that's the best case scenario...it totally fizzles. Mattie Fein just making this shit up. Okay then...

 

[KingNothing]

Bruce Fein is a pompous, self-absorbed, self-important, brat. I can't believe that Rand even associated with him.

I said this, without realizing that it's been his ex-wife doing all of the ridiculous things that have been attributed to him. Hm.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I said this, without realizing that it's been his ex-wife doing all of the ridiculous things that have been attributed to him. Hm.

They appear to still be married. Married in name only, perhaps, but still legally married.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bruce Fein is a pompous, self-absorbed, self-important, brat. I can't believe that Rand even associated with him.

Because he's been fighting for liberty before Rand wore long pants and he is smart as all hell?

 

[LibertyEagle]

All these from one thread:

WTF Rand! Asshole!

It's Rand who should've contacted Fein before using his work without attribution and without paying him. What Rand did is what's disrespectful.

It seems to me you're assuming that the person you're responding to can have rational thought processes.

That wouldn't have happened had Rand not used someone's work without attribution or payment. So it's Rand's fault.

Sure, I'm just pointing out it's Rand's fault. He should learn to respect people, what he did is outrageous, and what you're lamenting is a consequence of what he did.

He is thinking about his presidential ambitions and not caring about disrespecting other people.

Right, and that wouldn't have happened had Rand chosen not to use someone's work without attribution or payment.

I think it has more to do with not wanting to have his work used without attribution or payment.

It's about getting good press.

LibertyEagle is so naive he thinks it's a big deal whether there is fight between Rand and his lawyer. Rand is late to the party, there were many suits filed before his. It's about publicity. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not that important for the outcome of the case what press he gets.

Thanks to Rand's choice to use someone's work without attribution or payment.

He probably thinks it's just karma for using someone's work without attribution or payment.

Like the tomato grower whose tomatoes were stolen is pleased by how the freshness and quality of his tomatoes are known and appreciated by the family who ate them.

Rand did a pretty idiotic thing here, his name is all over the news for plagiarizing again. He can't even file a lawsuit without stealing someone's words.

LOL, I expect to see a headline "Rand Paul files plagiarized lawsuit to stop NSA abuses".

 

[jj-]

All these from one thread:

Thanks LE for going through all the effort to quote me so much. It looks like I'm your favorite poster! (welcome to the club)

 

[Barrex]

I feel bad for Fein. He is a longtime friend of the Paul's. Rand needs to make this right.

WTF Rand! Asshole!

It's Rand who should've contacted Fein before using his work without attribution and without paying him. What Rand did is what's disrespectful.

I think it has more to do with not wanting to have his work used without attribution or payment.

Perhaps he should just consider dropping the lawsuit at this point. There are already several lawsuits in progress that have already made it to the courts of appeals.

It's about getting good press.

LibertyEagle is so naive he thinks it's a big deal whether there is fight between Rand and his lawyer. Rand is late to the party, there were many suits filed before his. It's about publicity. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not that important for the outcome of the case what press he gets.

How...the hell...can a lawsuit be Plagiarism? Seriously.

GET OUT!!! YOU ARE RUINING PERFECTLY SILLY AND ILLOGICAL THREAD....

Don't jump to conclusions here... There is a lot of stuff in the background that may not be known.

Having worked for / with all of these guys in the past (except Kuch) I can say it was very likely a big misunderstanding that got blown out of proportion. I have no inside knowledge on this one though so I'm only taking a guess. Yes and that is very peculiar to me. I wonder if her complaints were actually meant to be publicized or not.
EDIT: Here is an update from the inside source.

Wtf dude.

That is just narcissistic (I rated your thread as "bad" and was close to minus rep you). This is how it is done:

Tsai3904 posted this in another thread and I thought it should be posted here too.

Bruce Fein denies Mattie's allegations, says her quotes didn't represent his views


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-didnt-plagiarize-his-nsa-lawsuit

This is just retarded.... even for American standards...

 

[loveshiscountry]

Thanks LE for going through all the effort to quote me so much. It looks like I'm your favorite poster! (welcome to the club)

You're being made fun of because you didn't do your due diligence in your haste to smear Rand. Look for the truth instead of trying to be right.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How...the hell...can a lawsuit be Plagiarism? Seriously.

That was my first thought.

Typical red herring.

There are plenty of court cases where people change their lawyers along the way for one reason or another. Paul paid the guy for his work and he accepted payment. His work product belongs to Paul. plagiarizing not only doesn't apply here - it's absolutely irrelevant. And it is ridiculous - it's not a literary work. If a sentence expresses what Paul wanted to say - it belongs there. It would be an idiotic exercise from the pursuit of justice point of view to try to express the same thought using different words.

There may be unresolved issue about the amount of money that is due to the lawyer, but it's almost never discussed publicly. This is not good for the attorney business and doesn't help to get the money if any money are due.

Another point. I understand that it wasn't even the lawyer who came up with this accusation but his ex-wife, but the lawyer should have put an end to it right away.

Finally, remember Obama was caught with the entire speech of Massachusetts governor stolen? Nobody cared, nobody remembers.

I have many problems with Rand, but plagiarizing is not one of them. Red herring.

Well stated.

 

[Matt Collins]

All these from one thread:

It's obvious that JJ has a Rand hatred agenda...

 

[jtstellar]

when do we start holding people accountable for spreading heresy? if small groups like these can't self discipline, why would de-regulation ever work? freedom is all about closed social circles being able to advise and restrain each other so you don't need cross-domain authorities. this is why libertarians lose credibility, aka mods not doing jack shit. even though the title has been wrong in stating 'bruce fein' while it's his ex wife, it's still sitting there. and trolls are still allowed to roam to their next subject in two weeks when the next rumor begins to spread on rand. i was never in much favor with mods so i might as well say this--learn how to run a forum pls? it's not really growing and i don't see a lot of new names, so you might as well try the opposite once in a while and ban trolls and stop doing the same shit again and again hoping libertine idiots would come because this seems like an attractive gathering place for them?

it's been a few years and most old ron paul supporters are near 30 now, maybe it's time you up your intellectual threshold a little? your everybody get drunk and speak shit philosophy isn't working to expand this forum, try something else, thank you, fucking. michael nystrom just bans anybody he doesn't like, but at least he runs by something. what is this place?