Rand Paul: ‘Disaster’ Trump Turning GOP Into ‘The Old White Man’s Party’

[Brett85]

The GOP has been the old white man's party for a long time. They refuse to change their failed big government policies.

 

[nikcers]

Can't the same thing be said for the Democrats. Right now they have two grumpy white men fighting it out... Sanders and Clinton.

I don't see Sanders and Clinton rejecting Rand's candidacy based on policy. FBN all but said that Rand didn't make the debates because his foreign policy was rejected by the party.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Your entire outlook on this is woefully wrong-headed, and even if I were to concede to you that European society would be better off with a greater degree of insularity, there is no way you can win an election with this approach at present. Maybe a few decades from now after European society can cleanse itself of its love of birth control, feminism and socialism, but definitely not now.

The facts do not bear you out. If Romney had simply gotten the same percentage of the white vote in Ohio that he did in Virginia, he would have won Ohio. If he had gotten the percentage he got in Ohio, he would have won Iowa. These are not a bunch of "liberal marxist" voters that the GOP is failing to get. It is working class whites who are easily won over with a competent campaign pitch. They could have been Rand voters. Instead they will be Trump voters.

And I hate to break it to you, but Trump is probably going to get a greater percentage of the minority vote than any GOP candidate in modern history. Consolidating the white vote will be the reason he wins, but minorities love guys like Trump and he is going to do remarkably well with them as well. The people who think Trump is going to do poorly with minorities are rich liberal whites who have interacted with a real minority in their lives.

 

[nikcers]

There was a really good interview on TDS right after Rand was on, the guy basically had gotten into a tweet war with Trump. He was a minority and he particularly didn't like Trump, he said in the interview that as of 10 minutes ago he has not... denounced the support from the kkk/white nationalists that are doing robocalls for him. I was able to convince a lot of people that Ron doesn't share the same sentiments because of his rhetoric. Trump is so vague and so ambiguous it will be impossible for him to walk back these statements and frankly I don't think some of his supporters will like it if he does, especially the ones doing the robocalls. If Rand can pull this off the they will eat their own.

 

[RonPaulMall]

There was a really good interview on TDS right after Rand was on, the guy basically had gotten into a tweet war with Trump. He was a minority and he particularly didn't like Trump, he said in the interview that as of 10 minutes ago he has not... denounced the support from the kkk/white nationalists that are doing robocalls for him. I was able to convince a lot of people that Ron doesn't share the same sentiments because of his rhetoric. Trump is so vague and so ambiguous it will be impossible for him to walk back these statements and frankly I don't think some of his supporters will like it if he does, especially the ones doing the robocalls. If Rand can pull this off the they will eat their own.

You think minorities watch the Daily Show? You think any minority that appears on the Daily Show is representative of the minority population in America? Yes you are correct, Trump will not get the 1% of minority viewers that watch TDL and NPR. But guess what? Neither would any Republican. Those sort of minorities hate Republicans just as much as the rich white liberals they are seeking to emulate and more importantly, are electorally insignificant. Where Trump will clean up is with rank and file minorities. Rank and file minorities identify far more with Donald Trump than they do Trevor Noah. Noah is nothing but a rich white liberal fantasy of what they wish minorities were like.

 

[nikcers]

You think minorities watch the Daily Show? You think any minority that appears on the Daily Show is representative of the minority population in America? Yes you are correct, Trump will not get the 1% of minority viewers that watch TDL and NPR. But guess what? Neither would any Republican. Those sort of minorities hate Republicans just as much as the rich white liberals they are seeking to emulate and more importantly, are electorally insignificant. Where Trump will clean up is with rank and file minorities. Rank and file minorities identify far more with Donald Trump than they do Trevor Noah. Noah is nothing but a rich white liberal fantasy of what they wish minorities were like.

You still don't understand that I hate republicans too, and would NEVER vote for one unless it was somebody that was going to represent me? Republicans sent my friends to die in a war that was started over a lie. Rand reaches constituencies that are unreachable by other candidates. Trevor Noah gave him almost an hour of his own debate because he is a superfan. He is not representative the minorities that vote for the democrats, he represents the minorities that don't vote. These are the guys that Rand can and will reach.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Trevor Noah gave him almost an hour of his own debate because he is a superfan. He is not representative the minorities that vote for the democrats, he represents the minorities that don't vote. These are the guys that Rand can and will reach.

Effete South African comedy hosts that couldn't vote for Rand even if they wanted to because they aren't citizens? And you are kidding yourself if you think he'd vote for Rand over Hillary even if he could vote in our elections. And who cares if Rand can win these people over anyway? They are an extreme minority of the voters in a party Rand doesn't even belong too. Hating Republicans is all well and good, but Rand Paul is running in the Republican Primary. And I was told to accept all his compromises, half measures, and ways in which he didn't live up to his Dad because he was focused on becoming electable. Then he comes out and runs a campaign even less appealing to Republicans than the one his father ran. So forgive me for feeling conned. If Rand was going to be an alienating, F the Republican Party, firebrand who had no intention of running a competitive campaign for the Presidency, then what was the point of all those compromises he made in the Senate? Why didn't he just vote and talk the same way as his Dad?

 

[nikcers]

Effete South African comedy hosts that couldn't vote for Rand even if they wanted to because they aren't citizens? And you are kidding yourself if you think he'd vote for Rand over Hillary even if he could vote in our elections. And who cares if Rand can win these people over anyway? They are an extreme minority of the voters in a party Rand doesn't even belong too. Hating Republicans is all well and good, but Rand Paul is running in the Republican Primary. And I was told to accept all his compromises, half measures, and ways in which he didn't live up to his Dad because he was focused on becoming electable. Then he comes out and runs a campaign even less appealing to Republicans than the one his father ran. So forgive me for feeling conned. If Rand was going to be an alienating, F the Republican Party, firebrand who had no intention of running a competitive campaign for the Presidency, then what was the point of all those compromises he made in the Senate? Why didn't he just vote and talk the same way as his Dad?

Why don't you vote and talk the same way as your dad? - sorry if you don't care that Rand can win people over like me to vote Republican by the way.

 

[kahless]

You have to watch those old white men in the party.

 

[nikcers]

You have to watch those old white men in the party.

No the jokes on the people getting offended for being called white lol

 

[hells_unicorn]

The facts do not bear you out. If Romney had simply gotten the same percentage of the white vote in Ohio that he did in Virginia, he would have won Ohio. If he had gotten the percentage he got in Ohio, he would have won Iowa. These are not a bunch of "liberal marxist" voters that the GOP is failing to get. It is working class whites who are easily won over with a competent campaign pitch. They could have been Rand voters. Instead they will be Trump voters.

Romney didn't get those Marxist neanderthals to vote for him because they will vote for a real Marxist over a semi-Marxist every single time. I can't believe we are having this conversation. Marxists, by their very nature, be they union workers or trustees of academia gazing down from their ivory towers, have ZERO sense of racial/cultural identity, that's why they are Marxists. Furthermore, Romney lost Iowa and Ohio, in part, because a sizable amount of America's otherwise highly heretical evangelical crowd isn't going to vote for a Gnostic Polytheist. These same voters that you think are somehow itching to vote for a white republican will go for either Sanders or Clinton with little thought to the contrary, they positively hate Trump, albeit for different reasons than I do. Likewise, you'll have a similar problem with Trump getting working class evangelicals given his libertine tendencies and his utterly retarded understanding of scripture. Hillary Clinton, despite being among the more disgustingly liberal Methodists I've ever encountered, would probably peel off more than enough evangelicals and would utterly crush Trump in every other demographic that isn't traditionally GOP territory.

I can tell you right now that Trump's idiotic statements about Snowden, the NSA surveillance program and killing Arab families because one is a suspected terrorist will lose him most, if not all of the libertarian wing of the Republican party. These are among a laundry list of reasons why I will never vote for him. This is yet another thing that he shares in common with Romney.

P.S. - Romney got 27% of the Mestizo vote, if Trump drops that down by 10% or more, which is very possible given his asinine rhetoric, all the fictional Marxist nationalists in the world won't save him.

And I hate to break it to you, but Trump is probably going to get a greater percentage of the minority vote than any GOP candidate in modern history. Consolidating the white vote will be the reason he wins, but minorities love guys like Trump and he is going to do remarkably well with them as well. The people who think Trump is going to do poorly with minorities are rich liberal whites who have interacted with a real minority in their lives.

As someone who has lived and worked in both Baltimore and Philadelphia for much of my life before going rural country bumpkin, I'm telling you right now as a working class Irish-American who is only 2 generations removed from dirt poor coal miners that Donald Trump is not liked by minorities. He might have a few token ones running around endorsing him, but a careful look at Trump's so-called rallies tells an extremely different story. If Trump breaks into double digits with the black vote, it would be all but a miracle, as would him getting into the 20s with the Mestizo vote after all of his asinine remarks. Blacks and Mestizos are far more conscious of their own identity than American Europeans, who have completely lost contact with their own history and are products of post-Enlightenment rationalism.

I'm not a betting man, but if Trump manages to make it past Super Tuesday, I'll be extremely surprised.

 

[timosman]

Rand Paul to MSNBC: ‘Disaster’ Trump Turning GOP Into ‘The Old White Man’s Party’

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016...aster-trump-turning-gop-old-white-mans-party/

by PAM KEY 14 Jan 2016

Wednesday on MSNBC’s “All In,” Republican presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) says his opponent front-runner Donald Trump is a “disaster” for the GOP and could push the party into ostracizing potential “new people.”

Paul said, “I think it’s important the Republican Party not be seen as a party not welcoming and that wants new people. I’ve said we need to be a party that has — with earrings, without earrings, with tattoos, without tattoos, black, brown, white, rich, poor. that’s one of the faults of the party, we’re not diverse enough. When we become the old white man’s party, which we’ve been kind of headed towards for a while, we’re never going to win another election.”

He continued, “I’m in the camp of saying, yes, we need to be careful of letting the voice of the Republican party be someone who thinks that all immigrants are rapists or drug dealers … I think that Trump is a disaster for the Republican party. And a disaster for the image that would cultivate and bring new people in. Also for those who have a serious approach as to how we would defend the country. One of the scariest things of the campaign that has been under reported, not only did Trump not know what the nuclear triad was, but a week later his spokesman said our biggest problem is we have not been willing enough to use our nuclear arsenal. That should scare people to death. Anybody that’s gotten beyond the third grade would say oh, my goodness, we don’t want a president that is eager to use our nuclear arsenal, we want one who knows it’s a deterrent but we’re not going to use it.”

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[RonPaulMall]

If the GOP can not bring more white people in to the party, they are finished at the national level.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Attacking white people. I can't think of a more effective strategy to win the GOP nomination.

Talking like this doesn't help. It makes him sound like a leftist.

Not to mention "old white men" generally determine the winner in Republican primaries.

A strategy of Rand spending more energy on attacking Trump (the most vocal critic of Obama, Bush Iraq war policy, Cruz Goldman Sachs financing, "open borders" etc) than attacking Obama will be counter-productive if goal is to win GOP base and nomination. Hopefully that is not the case.

I'm not a fan of many of Trumperisms but he is teaching all of GOP how to handle political attackers and face hacks among media owners employees. Maybe business and politics in US have a lot more in common than is commonly believed.. or perhaps the two have become the same and skills are fully transferrable.


Edited to add:
After watching full Rand interview posted by Brian, thread title seems to create inaccurate impression. I agree with Rand's stance here.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Talking like this doesn't help. It makes him sound like a leftist.

Not to mention "old white men" generally determine the winner in Republican primaries.

rand a leftist? no way... wait.. he was at ferguson kissing some ass. old white lives matter rand... ya twerp.

 

[BenMuldowney]

I really do not understand the strategy of not attending the debates therefore losing all that exposure and now attacking the white - majority of the GOP.

I would say this is one the biggest errors of the campaign yet just when it seemed like he was making a comeback. This will not help with the GOP polls.

The only reason I could see this working is if Rand thought Hillary is going to be indicted and was going to run as a Democrat. But I do not even think that is possible nor would he gain any traction as a Democrat.

endorsing mitt romney in 2012 while his dad was still running is right up there. i tried to defend him but he has gone rogue now. could there be a neocon rino in his campaign staff that has his ear? this is sabotage.

 

[CPUd]

 

[nikcers]

endorsing mitt romney in 2012 while his dad was still running is right up there. i tried to defend him but he has gone rogue now. could there be a neocon rino in his campaign staff that has his ear? this is sabotage.

Are you serious the neocons want war with Syria and didn't let him on the debate to refute their war plans. Trump didn't even call the war pigs out on their warmongering. Trumps the neocon shill, the non establishment candidate doesn't get media attention and gets uninvited from debates don't you remember 2008? Non establishment candidate don't have Clinton show up to their wedding. Lets vote for the guy who endorses Clinton.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Are you serious the neocons want war with Syria and didn't let him on the debate to refute their war plans. Trump didn't even call the war pigs out on their warmongering. Trumps the neocon shill, the non establishment candidate doesn't get media attention and gets uninvited from debates don't you remember 2008? Non establishment candidate don't have Clinton show up to their wedding. Lets vote for the guy who endorses Clinton.

ummm.. you do understand trump was against the iraq war and he is all for letting russia handle isis. you do realize this is the opposite from what the neocons want? the neocons are happy with isis creating more muslim hate.. it benefits them. they want isis fighting assad. who the hell do you think is the brains behind isis? i'll give you three guesses and it aint obama.

are you seriously trying to say trump is still friends with the clintons? wth?