Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

Traditional Conservative said:
It's a plus to take a consistent position and be seen as honest.
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It is much better to be viewed as honest than DISHONEST.



When George W. Bush was President, you would hear Americans from all over the country say, "you may not agree with him, but at least you know where he stands."
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OFTEN WRONG, BUT NEVER IN DOUBT.

George W. Bush is also held by many to be among the worst presidents in our history.


And the libertarian position is to ban abortion...
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Fiddle dee dee.
 
I am so glad Ron is PUSA and everyone in this country is up to speed on consistent liberty so I don't have to worry about all this playing politics stuff anymore.

Can you imagine if Ron would've had to been all things to all people at different times? He might've not won...

Can you imagine if everyone wouldn't have suddenly come around to what the Feds are allowed to do? It was getting sketchy there for a bit at the end but boobus came through.

And thank the stars that the msm finally turned around and backed Ron rather than establishment.

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The "what Rand has to do/not do" part of this thread is kinda bizzaro. What exactly has changed in the world that makes his LAC Act a poor move? lol

You kids and your politics -ya crack me up. :D;)
 
I'm worried this will alienate some of his supporters. As someone who is pro-choice I can tolerate pushing for the overturn of Roe vs. Wade so the states can vote on it themselves. But any sort of federal action to ban abortion nationwide can really turn some liberty minded folks off.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
It's a plus to take a consistent position and be seen as honest. When George W. Bush was President, you would hear Americans from all over the country say, "you may not agree with him, but at least you know where he stands."

And the libertarian position is to ban abortion, as it isn't possible to defend liberty without defending life. Ron Paul has stated that numerous times. It's a wonder why the liberals here ever supported him.
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To be honest TC, we dont even want this coming up in a campaign. Pushing a bill like this will ensure it does. Yes, it's important in IA for GOPers there but I dont think Rand will lose much support without this.

I'd be delighted if the word "abortion" didn't even come up during a campaign along with the words "rape", "incest" and "civl rights act".

It should all be about the economy and obamcare. Simple as that.

Wedge issues are not going to do anything but provide fodder for the likes of Stephanopoulos. They will be delighted to ask him questions about these issues every day and on the campaign trail and make the whole election about it while not even talking about the economy or the disastrous obamacare.

You need to understand this... more important, Rand does !!
 
Who says that Rand is going to talk about the issue during a general election campaign? He simply introduced a bill in the Senate. He introduces bills all the time.
 
Hopefully the Republican base in "New England and the West Coast" are OK with this. I guess time will tell. But one must wonder about the "Reagan Democrats" in these areas that will be so essential for a general election.
 
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Traditional Conservative said:
Who says that Rand is going to talk about the issue during a general election campaign? He simply introduced a bill in the Senate. He introduces bills all the time.
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He's very likely to be asked about it. Even though the issue is not near as important as the economy or endless wars you can bet it will come up in debates and what not.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
Who says that Rand is going to talk about the issue during a general election campaign? He simply introduced a bill in the Senate. He introduces bills all the time.
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He won't but the media will ensure it's talked about constantly, in the debates and on the campaign trail. Rand doesn't get to set the narrative. Stephanopoulos does. 90% of the media are Democrat hacks and very skilled at what they do including using these wedge issues to full effect.
 
Christopholes11 said:
I'm worried this will alienate some of his supporters. As someone who is pro-choice I can tolerate pushing for the overturn of Roe vs. Wade so the states can vote on it themselves. But any sort of federal action to ban abortion nationwide can really turn some liberty minded folks off.
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Well, he's not going to win the Republican primary if he takes the libertarian position on every single issue. The Republican Party shouldn't be exactly the same as the Republican Party. Rand needs to keep doing what he's been doing, which is to support a philosophy which is a blend of conservatism and libertarianism. That's where I am and where I think more and more Republicans are going.
 
itshappening said:
He won't but the media will ensure it's talked about constantly, in the debates and on the campaign trail. Rand doesn't get to set the narrative. Stephanopoulos does. 90% of the media are Democrat hacks and very skilled at what they do..
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Well, the last poll I saw showed that only 28% of the American people support overturning Roe v. Wade, so the position that you say Rand should take is still a minority position that won't help him. Taking that position a little bit further isn't going to cause any more damage than advocating the repeal of Roe v. Wade, in my opinion.
 
anaconda said:
I thought Rand wanted to win in "New England and the West Coast?"
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Yeah, I don't know why he has been saying that. People in New England and on the West Coast aren't going to vote for a candidate who is opposed to baby killing.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
Who says that Rand is going to talk about the issue during a general election campaign?
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He will be MADE to talk about it, or he will incessantly dodge questions.

How many times did Ron field the WHAT ABOUT A THIRD-PARTY RUN question? He didn't' want to talk about that...OR the Newsletters.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
Well, the last poll I saw showed that only 28% of the American people support overturning Roe v. Wade, so the position that you say Rand should take is still a minority position that won't help him. Taking that position a little bit further isn't going to cause any more damage than advocating the repeal of Roe v. Wade, in my opinion.
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Then if all Rand cares about is winning the Primary this is a brilliant move. I just think this will really hurt him in the general if the media chooses to make it an issue.
 
Ron Paul: "I have previously sponsored a Human Life Amendment while in Congress, and though I ultimately do not believe this is how we will end abortion, achieving such an amendment is certainly a laudable goal. Of course, Presidents do not sign constitutional amendments – another reason I cannot guarantee what would happen on this issue."

http://stevedeace.com/news/national-politics/ron-paul-5th-to-sign-personhood-pledge/
 
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