Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

[James Madison]

Oh good. So you do think picking flowers should be illegal?

Do you take anti-biotics?

I can beg the question, too.

 

[itshappening]

Because it's what Rand actually believes in. And if people are going to base their vote for a political candidate solely on abortion and vote against any pro life candidate, I hope our entire country just goes down in flames.

8 years of Hillary Clinton after she's spent 3 months grandstanding on abortion and war on women will ensure America will be in flames, so is that what you want?

 

[TheGrinch]

The definition of life, if it ever changes, will only expand, not contract. Based on our current understanding of the universe, the definition I posted is accurate. A single cell inside the womb is alive. Under no circumstances will a single-celled organism cease to be considered living.

Conception (when sperm and egg meet) is the criteria for human life. Trying to reduce it to a single cell will make you look like a hypocrite every time you masterbate and commit "infanticide".

Trying to stay out of this debate, but if you're going to argue the pro-life side, then please realize that sex or ejaculation are not conception (thus making the opposition to contraception a contradiction). Conception can occur as much as days later, when you could say "life begins at conception".

 

[cheapseats]

Ron always used the rhetoric of saying abortion should be a state issue, but the bills that he introduced showed otherwise.

Ron always LOST his bids for the presidency.

 

[Brett85]

You can do that without this bill which damages him if he gets out of the primary. Seriously. Not good strategy.

I really don't think Romney lost because of the abortion issue. He was a go who was first pro choice, then pro life, then pro choice, then pro life with exceptions for rape, incest, the health of the mother, and everything else. The exit polls showed that there was a steep drop in turnout among evangelical Christians from 2008 to 2012, so I'm not really buying into the idea that Romney lost the election because he was some type of radical pro lifer.

 

[Brett85]

Ron always LOST his bids for the presidency.

Right, partly because he was viewed by Republican voters as not being socially conservative enough.

 

[itshappening]

I really don't think Romney lost because of the abortion issue. He was a go who was first pro choice, then pro life, then pro choice, then pro life with exceptions for rape, incest, the health of the mother, and everything else. The exit polls showed that there was a steep drop in turnout among evangelical Christians from 2008 to 2012, so I'm not really buying into the idea that Romney lost the election because he was some type of radical pro lifer.

Romney never had a pro-life bill or ran on one

 

[whoisjohngalt]

When you can get abortion pills for $45 that are 95% effective, do you guys really think such legislation would have any positive effect?

DIY abortions are on the rise and in the not-too-distant future, contraceptives will render abortions a thing of the past.

But what we are discussing is how advantageous this was politically for Rand. That's what this entire argument is actually about.

 

[cheapseats]

I assure you this bill will never see the light of day, that's pretty well understood. But it's a crowd pleaser to likely Republican voters.

Insincere grandstanding on the Taxpayers' dime, is that it?

 

[Brett85]

8 years of Hillary Clinton after she's spent 3 months grandstanding on abortion and war on women will ensure America will be in flames, so is that what you want?

I don't agree that the majority of voters in America are one issue voters who won't ever vote for any pro life candidate. I don't think most voters are as simple minded as you think they are. Most voters look at all of the issues as a whole, not base their vote on one issue.

 

[Brett85]

8 years of Hillary Clinton after she's spent 3 months grandstanding on abortion and war on women will ensure America will be in flames, so is that what you want?

I don't agree that the majority of voters in America are one issue voters who won't ever vote for any pro life candidate. I don't think most voters are as simple minded as you think they are. Most voters look at all of the issues as a whole, not base their vote on one issue.

 

[jbauer]

Seems like a waste of time. I doubt this does him anything good except maybe bring in some factions of the social conservatives while trying to convince them the little L's aren't that bad.

 

[James Madison]

Conception (when sperm and egg meet) is the criteria for human life. Trying to reduce it to a single cell will make you look like a hypocrite every time you masterbate and commit "infanticide".

No. Sperm progenitor cells are genetic clones of every other cell line in the body. YOUR body. Self-owernship means I can do whatever I want with my body, including initiate violence against myself. What I can't do is initiate violence against another body.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Do you take anti-biotics?

I can beg the question, too.

Yes, because I understand that life isn't the only criteria necessary to have the Right to Life. Of course, I do.

 

[Brett85]

Romney never had a pro-life bill or ran on one

Exactly, and he still lost. So how exactly did taking a passive and inconsistent position on abortion help Romney?

 

[cheapseats]

... Most voters look at all of the issues as a whole...

Wishful thinking.

 

[supermario21]

I think there are more single issue pro-life voters than single issue pro-choice candidates.

 

[itshappening]

I don't agree that the majority of voters in America are one issue voters who won't ever vote for any pro life candidate. I don't think most voters are as simple minded as you think they are. Most voters look at all of the issues as a whole, not base their vote on one issue.

Has America ever voted for a president running on a personhood bill?

 

[whoisjohngalt]

I don't agree that the majority of voters in America are one issue voters who won't ever vote for any pro life candidate. I don't think most voters are as simple minded as you think they are. Most voters look at all of the issues as a whole, not base their vote on one issue.

Uhh.. we have data on this. It's not a mystery.

20% of self defined pro choice millennials are single issue voters on the issue. 40% of pro-life from the same group are.

 

[itshappening]

Exactly, and he still lost. So how exactly did taking a passive and inconsistent position on abortion help Romney?

It would have been about 5 points worse for Romney if he was defending a personhood bill for 2 months