Rand-hater Santorum heavily considering 2016 presidential run

I don't mind Santorum running since he would at least hold Rand's feet to the fire on the abortion issue. I don't like Santorum and wouldn't ever vote for him, but I like his strong stance on the abortion issue.
 
We should all be rejoicing at the idea of Santorum running again. Of all the candidates in the 2012 primary, the attacks Ron Paul's campaign had against Santorum were by far the strongest both in the debates and in TV ads. This is because Santorum represents a failed GOP which bears no resemblance to the parties supposed small government principles. He is THE personification of the fundamental contradiction between the parties "pro family" rhetoric and the actual small government values conservatism was founded on. Watching Rand corner him and take him to the woodshed in the debates will not only be a lot of fun, it will be a productive way of displaying that libertarianism is the heart of conservatism, and that conservatives who deviate from libertarian ideology will be shown as hypocrites.





 
Rand has to win Iowa and by a large margin. I truly believe if Ron did just half of the retail-politicking that Santorum did, he would have won the Iowa poll.
 
This X1000. Santorum's 99 county tour was nothing short of brilliant in terms of campaign strategy. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but we lost Iowa largely because Santorum outworked us. While Ron was taking off weekends back in Texas Santorum was going to every church who would have him. If Rand is going to win convincingly we need him to display a similar work ethic.

EBounding said:
Rand has to win Iowa and by a large margin. I truly believe if Ron did just half of the retail-politicking that Santorum did, he would have won the Iowa poll.
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Traditional Conservative said:
I don't mind Santorum running since he would at least hold Rand's feet to the fire on the abortion issue. I don't like Santorum and wouldn't ever vote for him, but I like his strong stance on the abortion issue.
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With all due respect, I think this is ridiculous...

Rand already supports a Federal law, first of all, so Santorum can't make up the stupid crap about being halfway pro-choice like he did with Ron. Rand is also already supporting (In my opinion) an unconstitutional Federal law.

I'd like some real discussion of PENALTIES at the state level, but nobody's going to do that. Ron Paul did borderline do that, but Santorum isn't ever going to touch it, nor will Rand.

Santorum also voted to fund Planned FREAKING Parenthood. He has no credentials in this whatsoever.

Santorum also is not "Pro-life." In fact, IMO his anti-abortion credentials are up for question. But his support for wars against everyone is not pro-life.

@Cajuncocoa- The only good thing about the South is that its not NYS... But then, I could say that about Iran too:p

Just kidding. Seriously though, the South is much better politically when it comes to state level issues, IMO. Its the national level where conservatives become a joke. I mean, the South is trying to be the most RINOish with Lindsey Graham, but with guys like Peter King and Chris Cristie, the Northeast is desperately trying not to let them.
 
Actually it seems as if SC is becoming pro-liberty. Mulvaney, Scott, Gowdy, and now Sanford are all ranging from decent to very good and people like Tom Davis and Lee Bright in the State Senate as well as Nancy Mace and Jack Hunter among others are going to help the state morph into a more pro-liberty Republican state. I'd say Alabama and Mississippi are the worst, as well as Tennessee, which still sucks up to the establishment.
 
I really don't see Frothy hurting Rand in Iowa. Possibly the south if he were to stick it out that long.

When Santorum accidentally touched my suit at Value Voter's Summit, I had to burn it. I hope I don't have to see his face ever again.
 
Honestly, I think Independents as a general rule are willing to leave abortion to the states and would be more than happy to not worry about it. I'm not saying that's good or bad (I think I feel more strongly about abortion than they do, but I still believe its a state issue) I'm just saying... honestly, that half the population that supports 1st trimester but not 2nd... I seriously doubt they pick candidates based on that issue. Maybe its one of many issues that they consider, but I seriously doubt its make or break for them.
 
supermario21 said:
Actually it seems as if SC is becoming pro-liberty. Mulvaney, Scott, Gowdy, and now Sanford are all ranging from decent to very good and people like Tom Davis and Lee Bright in the State Senate as well as Nancy Mace and Jack Hunter among others are going to help the state morph into a more pro-liberty Republican state. I'd say Alabama and Mississippi are the worst, as well as Tennessee, which still sucks up to the establishment.
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I prefer the South Carolina of pre-1865 honestly... I mean... without the slavery of course, but I loved how SC was willing to flat out give the middle finger to the establishment... and fight it.

Lindsey Graham is still in SC. When they hang him for treason... I mean, vote him out, then I'll trust them.

whoisjohngalt said:
I really don't see Frothy hurting Rand in Iowa. Possibly the south if he were to stick it out that long.

When Santorum accidentally touched my suit at Value Voter's Summit, I had to burn it. I hope I don't have to see his face ever again.
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Why can't we burn him? He looks like a witch!:p


Santorum might be fun to talk to actually... I could probably own him in a debate...
 
Rocco said:
We should all be rejoicing at the idea of Santorum running again. Of all the candidates in the 2012 primary, the attacks Ron Paul's campaign had against Santorum were by far the strongest both in the debates and in TV ads. This is because Santorum represents a failed GOP which bears no resemblance to the parties supposed small government principles. He is THE personification of the fundamental contradiction between the parties "pro family" rhetoric and the actual small government values conservatism was founded on. Watching Rand corner him and take him to the woodshed in the debates will not only be a lot of fun, it will be a productive way of displaying that libertarianism is the heart of conservatism, and that conservatives who deviate from libertarian ideology will be shown as hypocrites.





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I don't think family values and small govt. libertarianism contradict each other at all. Its the neocon warmongering, and to a lesser extent, enforcement of moralitythat do not fit with family values or small govt. libertarianism...
 
Rocco said:
This X1000. Santorum's 99 county tour was nothing short of brilliant in terms of campaign strategy. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but we lost Iowa largely because Santorum outworked us. While Ron was taking off weekends back in Texas Santorum was going to every church who would have him. If Rand is going to win convincingly we need him to display a similar work ethic.
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Yep. A lot of people blamed the "Santorum media surge" (including myself at the time), but if we're really honest, that surge was the result of Santorum practically running for Governor of Iowa despite barely any resources. Ron had millions and an enthusiastic base at his disposal, yet he kept with a modest educational campaign which yielded him a close 3rd place.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
@Cajuncocoa- The only good thing about the South is that its not NYS... But then, I could say that about Iran too:p

Just kidding. Seriously though, the South is much better politically when it comes to state level issues, IMO. Its the national level where conservatives become a joke. I mean, the South is trying to be the most RINOish with Lindsey Graham, but with guys like Peter King and Chris Cristie, the Northeast is desperately trying not to let them.
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We've made a few mistakes politically....but my state (Louisiana) was one of the states that Ron Paul won last year, so it's not all bad! We also have great food, and nobody parties like we do!! ;)
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Honestly, I think Independents as a general rule are willing to leave abortion to the states and would be more than happy to not worry about it. I'm not saying that's good or bad (I think I feel more strongly about abortion than they do, but I still believe its a state issue) I'm just saying... honestly, that half the population that supports 1st trimester but not 2nd... I seriously doubt they pick candidates based on that issue. Maybe its one of many issues that they consider, but I seriously doubt its make or break for them.
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But that's not Rand Paul's position. He doesn't want to leave abortion to the states. He wants to declare fetuses "persons", which would make abortion a Federal crime. It's going to be difficult to sell this position to independent voters.

And if Santorum can push him futher to the right on abortion or gay marriage...God help us in the general election.
 
Rocco said:
This X1000. Santorum's 99 county tour was nothing short of brilliant in terms of campaign strategy. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but we lost Iowa largely because Santorum outworked us. While Ron was taking off weekends back in Texas Santorum was going to every church who would have him. If Rand is going to win convincingly we need him to display a similar work ethic.
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No worries, Rand is a political athlete. He spoke everywhere and often in Kentucky during his Senate run.
 
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