This reply was to me.
Allow me to modify the term to better suit the conversation then. Forgive me for depriving you of the momentary euphoria of a committed fanatic. Sound better?
Now, I'm not big on the idea of attacking my own team, but I think a few points need to be offered here regarding the assertions you've made.
1. Nobody tells the truth all the time. Anyone who argues otherwise is deluding themselves.
2. Life is harder when you tell the truth, and sometimes telling the truth involves admitting that a strategy isn't working.
3. Politics has little to do with truth, especially insofar as American politics is concerned. You work with what you've got until something better that is also viable comes along.
4. If you find yourself attacking people that are close to your views for not getting it perfect more often than attacking the actual enemy, you've crossed the point from being principled to being a fanatic.
At the very least, consider that you are hearing the "purist" remark over and over because, heaven forbid, there might be something to it. Just a thought.
P.S. - I apologize for the double post here.
This reply was to jllundqu.
If you don't want to be misconstrued, try not to be overly dramatic and hyperbolic with your language. The implication here is that because Ron and Rand had different reactions (in different media, no less) that they are automatically on different pages, which would imply an act of hypocrisy on Ron Paul's part for endorsing Rand's candidacy and not publicly denouncing him as "defending the deplorable".
The reason why a number of us are growing tired of this rubbish coming from self-proclaimed "original anti-war RP supporters" is because of the arrogant implication that you guys seem to push that you are smarter than people that are actually involved in this process and trying to change it.
Oh, and I was here from the beginning as well, and sunk a considerable amount of my own capital into the November 5th money bomb, but I guess that has been undone by my unwillingness to tear Rand apart for not parroting his father verbatim, eh?
We need to watch out here, or the rEVOLution will start eating its own children.
I don't want to arrogantly imply I'm smarter than the people "involved in the process". I want to state clearly that if you involve yourself in the process of lying you are a fool plain and simple. If Rand and Ron had a family meeting and decided subterfuge was the best way to proceed I would tell them the same thing.
In some of your old posts you claim to be a Christian, but in every post you seem to think that lying is how you get things done in the "real world", where us fanatics are simply viewed as children by gatekeepers like yourself. But in the bible on which your professed faith, Rand Paul's professed faith, and Ron Paul's professed faith hinges and is founded, it says that liars will have their place in the lake of fire.
You are here to separate the Rand supporters from the Rand dissenters. You are doing an outstanding job. My job is to follow Christ's commandments and to preach the gospel in whatever way I can. So when I see lies and liars, out of love for God, I feel it necessary to point out to my neighbor in the clearest way I can that lying is not a good thing and has severe negative repercussions.
Stop the lies. That's my only message really. Don't pander to false Christians by taking positions you know are false. That's lying. Don't focus on an issue like "ousting Saddam was a mistake" when you know the truth about why we went in there. That's lying. If you know the truth about something but state the story in a different way such that another person when they came to know the truth would realize you weren't being honest and forthcoming, that's the same as lying.
Now you probably don't actually read the bible as part of your grassroots efforts, but you might be interested to know that people who are "involved in the process" are FAR MORE IN DANGER than those who are not. A righteous man like Rand, in a position of such power is MORE culpable in the eyes of God than some crack head accountant helping businessmen cheat on their taxes. Because God knows that is who the people are listening to. To whom much is given much is expected in return. Christ saved his most biting remarks and criticisms for the hypocrites and the gatekeepers.
When you throw around God's words like freedom, and liberty, and morality, you are operating in His religious domain. And He expects you to tread carefully, like crossing a thinly frozen lake.
You see God doesn't care about the POTUS. Nor does he care about the Putin or the Queen of England. He is no respecter of persons. He made Obama president. He made Rand senator. Rand 2016 is in His hands. He doesn't care about man's plans for the future because He makes the future. He cares about what we do every single day. Every word that comes from our mouth and every thought that goes through our head. Every post we make on RPF.
As for me? Fanatic? Guilty as charged. I've made no secret of my fanaticism, or mental state, or stance against a myriad of things I disagree with, and things I've been wrong about. I'm as crazy as they come. That doesn't make my voice any less meaningful than you or Ron's or Rand's. You'd have zero problem showing the whole world what a wacko I am just by doing a little post-digging. But I think it would be a waste of your precious time, as much as I would prefer that more direct attacking to the boring gatekeeper persona you've chosen to adopt so far.
I will help you though, since I can sum it up for you far quicker.
I don't believe there will be an election in 2016. Because I don't believe this country will exist in 2016. The USA is Judea. The home of Zion. But it is also overrun and is biblical Babylon. And its destruction is imminent.
Now that's my "political" position. This earth doesn't belong to mankind. We were stewards. I only comment here and there about Rand to point out the ways in which he is failing per Christian standards. Nothing more. It's not an attack on Rand. I am also a sinner. It's just me punching the clock for the Lord.
You see God is patient, but He is not an incrementalist. When His time comes there won't be negotiations or apologies or a new constitution or a new world order, there will simply be destruction and vengeance. And woe to those who stand with stiff necks and a proud countenance.
So to be clear my anti-war stance doesn't come from Noam Chomsky. It comes from your King and Rand's King and Ron's King and the King of probably more than half the regulars on this forum. And this King would rather we fall under the sword than compromise His Word for political expediency.
The only "enemy" we are dealing with is Satan. Not Hillary, or the Illuminati or the bankers. Christ said don't resist evil. Fighting fire with fire by playing the politics of lies is resisting evil. You follow Christ's commands is what you do and let him worry about 2016 or fixing things "gradually" in the future. You aren't smart enough to do anything, truth be told. No one is. You make the plans but the Lord directs your steps.
So you can take your Satanic lies about how lying is "what mature pragmatic people do if they want to get anything accomplished" and return them to your master. You'll get no quarter for that nonsense from me.
When you are following Christ's commands FIRST, then we can talk about a strategy within that paradigm, of which there are many. Condoning lies at the outset is a rejection of Christ. That's a no-no.
I'm simply pointing out, as many others here have, that Ron Paul would (and has..see video) take a more principled stance on the subject of drone warfare, the CIA, civilian deaths, etc. Rand's ploy to pander to the hawks is not something new, it's just painful for true anti-war folks to watch, seeing as how this movement was started by hardcore anti-war RP supporters.
