Rand at 5% in CNN/ORC Poll (Tied 5th)

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[erowe1]

I checked it and it says NA for all of these. Did we miss something.

This:

A total of 1,028 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones.
Among the entire sample, 31% described themselves as Democrats, 26% described themselves as Republicans, and 43% described
themselves as independents or members of another party.

All respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to reflect national
Census figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage.

Crosstabs on the following pages only include results for subgroups with enough unweighted cases to produce a sampling error of
+/- 8.5 percentage points or less. Some subgroups represent too small a share of the national population to produce crosstabs with
an acceptable sampling error. Interviews were conducted among these subgroups, but results for groups with a sampling error
larger than +/-8.5 percentage points are not displayed and instead are denoted with "N/A".

 

[cindy25]

What? Why would pollsters poll people who don't vote in the Republican primaries? If they did, that poll would be out of whack and not representative of the voters in such primary or caucus who actually turn out. This is what many in here don't get. Reality is reality. You can't change it and then be all upset your type of voters aren't being polled.

Under 30 will be 10-15% of the voters
Non-whites will be 1-2%
Democrats will be 1%

In contrast, 45 and up voters are 65% who claim to be more religious than not and 99% white. That's who f'ing votes in Republican primaries.

5% is decent for now and better than Cruz

many primaries are open, if there is not much of dem race the dems will vote Rand

 

[erowe1]

many primaries are open, if there is not much of dem race the dems will vote Rand

Why do you believe that?

 

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[limequat]

Has CNBC said how they'll determine what the tie breaker is in the event that Rand and Kasich end up with the same percentage?

I think it's safe to assume that in the event of a tie, preference will be given to whoever does not have curly, unruly hair.

 

[hells_unicorn]

The excellent news about this is being ahead of Fiorina and Cruz. The only downside is that Huckabee is now tied with us. These polls are kind of all over the place in terms over people who are in 5th-10th place, probably due to the odd sampling methods. Nobody is polling likely voters, nor is anybody considering the possibility that turnout could be affected by Rand's youth support, particularly if Rand's campaign takes measures to educate newer voters and bus people into the Iowa Caucus.

 

[limequat]

The excellent news about this is being ahead of Fiorina and Cruz. The only downside is that Huckabee is now tied with us. These polls are kind of all over the place in terms over people who are in 5th-10th place, probably due to the odd sampling methods. Nobody is polling likely voters, nor is anybody considering the possibility that turnout could be affected by Rand's youth support, particularly if Rand's campaign takes measures to educate newer voters and bus people into the Iowa Caucus.

Accuracy is not on the agenda. These polls are measure of the MSMs power. Notice how the polls are paid by the MSM and come in clusters before and after debates?

 

[Mad Raven]

Here's hoping for lots of 49 year old Rand supporters, and for lots of 80 year olds about to kick the bucket!

 

[Foreigner]

8th place in RCP-average with 3.6 now. 7th place is Huckabee with 3.8. Hopefully he'll be in 7th before the next debate and get some forward momentum from that.

The problem with the debates is the controlled establishment crowds. When a viewer on TV agrees with with Rand's points, then he/she becomes doubtful when it's meet by silence by the crowds. Now, I've seen Rand win over and get standing ovations from establishment crowds before, but doing that while rallying libertarians is a tricky balance. Hopefully he will talk a lot about the economy. He needs to establish himself as THE candidate for lowering taxes and cutting waste. Just talking about the NSA and criminal justice reform makes him seem like a fringe candidate.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

CNN poll has Rand in 5th place moving ahead of Cruz, Fiorina, Kasich and Christie


CNN poll has Rand in 5th place moving ahead of Cruz, Fiorina, Kasich and Christie

 

[amartin315]

The excellent news about this is being ahead of Fiorina and Cruz. The only downside is that Huckabee is now tied with us. These polls are kind of all over the place in terms over people who are in 5th-10th place, probably due to the odd sampling methods. Nobody is polling likely voters, nor is anybody considering the possibility that turnout could be affected by Rand's youth support, particularly if Rand's campaign takes measures to educate newer voters and bus people into the Iowa Caucus.

you know...it seems the media never talk about huckabee

 

[sam1952]

8th place in RCP-average with 3.6 now. 7th place is Huckabee with 3.8. Hopefully he'll be in 7th before the next debate and get some forward momentum from that.

The problem with the debates is the controlled establishment crowds. When a viewer on TV agrees with with Rand's points, then he/she becomes doubtful when it's meet by silence by the crowds. Now, I've seen Rand win over and get standing ovations from establishment crowds before, but doing that while rallying libertarians is a tricky balance. Hopefully he will talk a lot about the economy. He needs to establish himself as THE candidate for lowering taxes and cutting waste. Just talking about the NSA and criminal justice reform makes him seem like a fringe candidate.

I experienced this first hand when I went to a debate party last debate. 60 people there. I was amazed at the disinterest in Rand. They hung on every word of Donald, Carly ect. They used Rands time to talk amongst themselves. Someone even suggesting he should drop out
I quietly observed and made it know I was a Rand supporter at the table and clapped at some of his responses. The event was hosted by a local media person. The truth is people listen to this crap about Rand all the time. If you say someting enough times people start to believe it.

Meanwhile they all talk about to much government and spending, lol.

 

[EBounding]

While the percentage isn't great, it's who he's ahead of that matters.

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[erowe1]

you know...it seems the media never talk about huckabee

Carson and Cruz have stolen his thunder. He got kind of lucky in 2008 by not having any real competition for the religious right.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Here's hoping for lots of 49 year old Rand supporters, and for lots of 80 year olds about to kick the bucket!

Hey, easy on the old people. I resemble that!

 

[eleganz]

Even though it is still within the margin of error of Rands' 2-6% from before the first debate. The fact that he can still hold on like this says a lot despite all of the media attacks. He has it the worst out of everybody lately. I've been following Rand headlines, this past week has been particularly bad.

I think this deserves a donation, I do feel bad for Rand.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Even though it is still within the margin of error of Rands' 2-6% from before the first debate. The fact that he can still hold on like this says a lot despite all of the media attacks. He has it the worst out of everybody lately. I've been following Rand headlines, this past week has been particularly bad.

I think this deserves a donation, I do feel bad for Rand.

The media attacks have been about on par with what they did to Ron in 2012, lots of dismissive remarks before his numbers started moving up in Iowa, followed by a very methodical attempt to pump rivals while attacking him directly. I'm pretty sure that Rand is anticipating this, but the question will be whether or not the masses of asses will fall for the same thing twice.

 

[derek4ever]

If you calculate the "qualified" (those being used to decide who gets into the coming debate) post-September debate polls and the pre-October debate polls, Rand gets 3.125%. Now if we consider all the polls between this time period, Rand would get 3%. I wonder how they're going to arrange the podiums, will it be by using the Real Clear Politics averages of all time, RCP between the last debate and the coming debate, or some other criteria? BTW, some good news finally considering the way the LSM has treated our guy!

 

[CPUd]

They will probably have Rand ahead of Christie, possibly Kasich.