Rand at 5% in CNN/ORC Poll (Tied 5th)

[AngryCanadian]

Why can't Carson beat Hillary?

His promoting his books.
-He looks another Obama.
-His polices are a joke..

 

[rich34]

His promoting his books.
-He looks another Obama.
-His polices are a joke..

And dispite his knowledge as a doctor he worse than Bush when trying to explain policy. Hillary would have no problem with him in a debate and he would actually make her look highly intelligent/"presidential."

 

[moraha]

What I'd like to see is Rand making monthly climbs in the overall polling over the next four months---say to 8% by early November, 12% by early December, 16-17% by January, and in the 20's in February. If this is the overall national trend, it should be even better in the early states (IA, NH). If Rand does not start to make that steady climb soon, it will be hard to see how he can quickly surge later. The new CNN poll is a good start.

He needs to have a "wow" moment with a strong tone. Most of his answers have been pretty bland compared to Ron's in my opinion. Every answer needs to be something that will stick with the listeners.

 

[dumbdumb]

We are up to $260.48 in this thread now, I believe. Great stuff! +rep for everyone.

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[PaulConventionWV]

Does anyone seriously think Rand still has a chance? Be honest. He's polling no better than Ron did even in 2008, and with the way the media fought Ron in 2012 and won despite his decent poll numbers, do you really think Rand is going to be able to pull it off when the media has shown that it's willing to fight Rand just as hard? Is there really any doubt about how this is going to play out? We've seen it before.

 

[MarcusI]

Carson cant beat hillary. I dont think this needs an explanation.

I dont know. I think he can. Wouldnt make things much better though.

 

[EBounding]

Does anyone seriously think Rand still has a chance? Be honest. He's polling no better than Ron did even in 2008, and with the way the media fought Ron in 2012 and won despite his decent poll numbers, do you really think Rand is going to be able to pull it off when the media has shown that it's willing to fight Rand just as hard? Is there really any doubt about how this is going to play out? We've seen it before.

He has a realistic chance to win Iowa. But if he doesn't outright win Iowa he needs to end it there, IMO. I think everyone here should support him at least through the caucus.

 

[Jan2017]

Rand has weathered the summer/Iowa campaign season and media "vetting" just fine . . . 3 points behind Jeb with Hucky peaked already - this is good.
Huckabee with no money to campaign anywhere (and no Senator actions like introducing legislation) drops out after this debate.

 

[fcreature]

Does anyone seriously think Rand still has a chance? Be honest. He's polling no better than Ron did even in 2008, and with the way the media fought Ron in 2012 and won despite his decent poll numbers, do you really think Rand is going to be able to pull it off when the media has shown that it's willing to fight Rand just as hard? Is there really any doubt about how this is going to play out? We've seen it before.

Did you expect this to be easy? Did you expect the establishment hacks to just hand this to Rand? The plan remains in motion. Establish a strong ground game, do well in the first couple states, weather the storm and wait for candidates to drop out. Become the anti-Bush candidate in which people can coalesce. It's still quite possible.

You really think Trump/Carson/Cruz is going to win? Really? In the end it's going to be Bush vs Rubio vs X. Rand still stands a good chance to be that X.

60% of voters are still undecided. 20% of those who are decided are still willing to change their minds. Paul is the second choice for many and has not poisoned his chance of being able to unify people like Cruz has.

There is no reason to give up so early.

 

[moraha]

Does anyone seriously think Rand still has a chance? Be honest. He's polling no better than Ron did even in 2008, and with the way the media fought Ron in 2012 and won despite his decent poll numbers, do you really think Rand is going to be able to pull it off when the media has shown that it's willing to fight Rand just as hard? Is there really any doubt about how this is going to play out? We've seen it before.

The thing is...TRUMP is causing the numbers to shift. He's a celebrity and he's entertaining. He knows how to keep everybody talking about him. If he wasn't in the race, everyone else's numbers would have been way different. Everyone (including other candidate's supporters) are waiting on Trump to implode so that the real race begins.

If nothing changes with Trump during the next few months and especially after Iowa, then he's probably going to take it all unfortunately.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Why can't Carson beat Hillary?

For the same reason that Herman Cain would never have beaten Obama. Being a political neophyte with a racial minority niche doesn't do anything for you if you're a Republican, because if you say something stupid during a debate or do something stupid in your personal life, the media will not cover for you.

 

[RabbitMan]

Rand has a shot as much as anybody else. If Bush, the supposed front runner with $100 million dollars in for him is polling LESS THAN RAND in several polls, this race is wide open!

 

[CPUd]

Does anyone seriously think Rand still has a chance? Be honest. He's polling no better than Ron did even in 2008, and with the way the media fought Ron in 2012 and won despite his decent poll numbers, do you really think Rand is going to be able to pull it off when the media has shown that it's willing to fight Rand just as hard? Is there really any doubt about how this is going to play out? We've seen it before.

Yes! They were originally aiming to place 2 or 3 in Iowa and win NH, but with Walker out, he can win Iowa. If there is not a clear frontrunner, but he is in the mix after Super Tuesday, he could take it all the way to the convention. The way the polling, donations, organization, local support looks right now, Rubio takes the New England states, Cruz takes the Southeast, Rand takes the Northwest.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Did you expect this to be easy? Did you expect the establishment hacks to just hand this to Rand? The plan remains in motion. Establish a strong ground game, do well in the first couple states, weather the storm and wait for candidates to drop out. Become the anti-Bush candidate in which people can coalesce. It's still quite possible.

You really think Trump/Carson/Cruz is going to win? Really? In the end it's going to be Bush vs Rubio vs X. Rand still stands a good chance to be that X.

60% of voters are still undecided. 20% of those who are decided are still willing to change their minds. Paul is the second choice for many and has not poisoned his chance of being able to unify people like Cruz has.

There is no reason to give up so early.

No, I don't expect this to be easy. I expect it to be really, really hard, nigh impossible. I'll give a more in-depth response when I get back from work.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Rand has a shot as much as anybody else. If Bush, the supposed front runner with $100 million dollars in for him is polling LESS THAN RAND in several polls, this race is wide open!

Yeah, but the media isn't against Bush. The elephant in the room is the media's treatment of Rand as compared to other candidates. I think they've made their intentions clear, but nobody here wants to acknowledge it.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yes! They were originally aiming to place 2 or 3 in Iowa and win NH, but with Walker out, he can win Iowa. If there is not a clear frontrunner, but he is in the mix after Super Tuesday, he could take it all the way to the convention. The way the polling, donations, organization, local support looks right now, Rubio takes the New England states, Cruz takes the Southeast, Rand takes the Northwest.

Ron was actually polling in first ahead of the Iowa caucus in 2012 and was actually winning the race during the caucus for a short time. I was there and I saw it. We all saw what happened, though. The media made short work of him and perhaps a little vote fraud just to make doubly sure that things don't get out of control. With Rand polling like he is, we can be sure that things haven't gotten out of control from the establishment's perspective. This is exactly what they wanted.

What I'm saying is, there are better things in the name of liberty to be doing with your time than worrying about American elections. Amerika ist kaputt. Trying to fix it with elections is like chasing a carrot on a stick attached to your head.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Ron was actually polling in first ahead of the Iowa caucus in 2012 and was actually winning the race during the caucus for a short time. I was there and I saw it. We all saw what happened, though. The media made short work of him and perhaps a little vote fraud just to make doubly sure that things don't get out of control. With Rand polling like he is, we can be sure that things haven't gotten out of control from the establishment's perspective. This is exactly what they wanted.

What I'm saying is, there are better things in the name of liberty to be doing with your time than worrying about American elections. Amerika ist kaputt. Trying to fix it with elections is like chasing a carrot on a stick attached to your head.

Yes, that looks like the establishment's playbook and prescription for 2016 as well, but the monkey wrench in their plan is the surge in non-establishment sentiment, as reflected in the rise of Trump and Carson. Their success has caused Jeb, the chosen one, to not exhibit any credibility as the 'inevitable' candidate, which is keeping the possibility open for the rest of the field, including Rand.

The media can't play the "he's electable, you're not" card if the chosen one shows no signs of being electable--that is how badly Trump has smashed Bush's aura. This, plus the fact Rand is working the college population hard in IA (who, unlike past cycles, will be present and not on break during the caucus) gives him a shot.

 

[CPUd]

Ron was actually polling in first ahead of the Iowa caucus in 2012 and was actually winning the race during the caucus for a short time. I was there and I saw it. We all saw what happened, though. The media made short work of him and perhaps a little vote fraud just to make doubly sure that things don't get out of control. With Rand polling like he is, we can be sure that things haven't gotten out of control from the establishment's perspective. This is exactly what they wanted.

What I'm saying is, there are better things in the name of liberty to be doing with your time than worrying about American elections. Amerika ist kaputt. Trying to fix it with elections is like chasing a carrot on a stick attached to your head.

The Rand and 2016 forums are not the place to trash electoral politics, because this is where people discuss the election and possibly bring in people new to the process. There is a philosophy section for people to go and do that.