Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[GunnyFreedom]

https://www.oathkeepers.org/harney-...ty-letter-to-ammon-bundy-asking-him-to-leave/

Here come the charges of the Harney County Committee of Safety being FBI Propaganda and OK's being jackboot gov stooges.

 

[phill4paul]

Here come the charges of the Harney County Committee of Safety being FBI Propaganda and OK's being jackboot gov stooges.

At this point I'm going to put, on a scale of 1-10, Ryan Payne's chance of being a Fed provocateur at 7 and Blaine Cooper's chance of being a Fed informant at 10.

 

[tod evans]

From the link Gunny provided;

https://www.oathkeepers.org/harney-...ty-letter-to-ammon-bundy-asking-him-to-leave/

NOTE FROM STEWART:

The Committee is essentially asking Ammon to take the same honorable exit that I recommended in my open letter to him on January 6, 2016, which you can read here. Ammon promised this committee that they would be in charge and make the decisions on how best to proceed in defending their rights, and taking control of their land. Now that the committee has made if very clear that they will continue the fight, Ammon should do as the committee asks and leave the wildlife refuge.

The Committee’s draft Resolution of the People of Harney County, which they also read aloud last night, was very strong, and ended with a demand that the federal government turn all lands currently under its control in Harney County, over to the people. You can read it here: RESOLUTION OF THE PEOPLE OF HARNEY COUNTY final rev

It was an inspirational meeting. And though the Committee expressed their anger at the way Ammon acted on his own, without telling them what he had planned, and without local consent, they still expressed their very real gratitude to him for bringing national attention to the gross injustices against the Hamonds and to the broader issues of the Federal dominance over the land that rightfully belongs to the people of the West. Out of this can come great things if the follow-up is done right.

As for us, Oath Keepers has a standing offer out to the people of Harney County, OR to assist them with security if they chose to start working the land again, in defiance of unjust Federal edicts, and most importantly, a standing offer to help train and organize them so that they can provide for their own security, as the Founders intended (which is the core purpose of our Community Preparedness Teams (CPT)). If the people will stand, we will stand with them, and we will train them, but they need to be in charge, and they have to make that momentous decision to take a stand. We cannot do it for them. Looks to us like they are well on their way, so long as the maintain momentum.

For the Republic,

Stewart Rhodes

MORE DETAILS ON OUR OFFER OF HELP TO TRAIN THEM

Here is what I wrote in the post linking to the live feed of the meeting last night:

This is exactly what needs to be done in every county in the West – the people coming together to take the bull by the horns and stand together with THEM in charge.

It was a very good meeting, and it was good to see the community come together and start to stand. Now that we DO support.

The next step needs to be that at least one, but preferably several, ranchers need to turn their cattle out on the public land and then we (all groups, all patriots) can defend them, and most importantly, train and organize them to defend themselves and each other. And it would be best if the Committee of Safety called for that action and fully supported it (yes, an individual rancher has the right to take that stand on his own, and we can defend him – that is what happened at Bundy Ranch, Sugar Pine Mine, and in Lincoln, MT, where we defended individuals who were willing to stand even if most of their neighbors were not – but it is best for the community to be directly involved and in full support. That is what is needed for a long term, lasting retaking of their land.

Also, we must train them to defend themselves and each other. Outside security volunteers can only stay for so long, and if/when there is a national crisis, such volunteers will not be able to go anywhere, since they will be very busy in their own AO. So, the people of Harney County must be trained and organized to provide their own security. And that is what we will be happy to do for them so they can be their own security rather than having to rely on “sheepdogs” from outside their county.

In fact, I hereby make this standing offer to the people of Harney County, OR, and to the Harney County Comittee of Safety. Oath Keepers will train you and help you organize for your own security, so that, whatever you do, you can provide your own local security teams made up of well trained locals, and those locals can serve as competent, effective local leadership for any outside volunteers you may consent to inviting in to assist you, under the command of local leaders you choose. That is the best way for you to proceed so you, the locals, call the shots and are in charge, including of any security operations in defense of your rights, as Ammon Bundy himself said is the way this is supposed to go.

Stewart Rhodes

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, I didn't provide the link. That would be phill4paul. And he quoted the entire page when he did. Interesting how you filtered that content.

 

[tod evans]

Yeah, I didn't provide the link. That would be phill4paul. And he quoted the entire page when he did. Interesting how you filtered that content.

Whoops......:o

Top of the page.....

 

[phill4paul]

Whoops......:o

Top of the page.....

No problems. It probably needed to be read twice.

 

[tod evans]

No problems. It probably needed to be read twice.

I just hope people stand up.......

If Bundy proves to be the impetus that gets regular folks to thumb their noses at the feds I'll bet he says it's worth it....

 

[Origanalist]

Hammond and son are already in jail. I think you mean Ammon Bundy.

And yes. it would be a tragic loss for such a well respected man to go down on account of hotheads who are committed to dying (probably in vain).

Ya, That's what I meant. I noticed the mistake later but was too lazy to fix it...:o

 

[PursuePeace]

LIVE: Oregon militia leaders to address press on occupation - 1/9 - 1pm est

ETA: Starts at about 9:55

 

[youngbuck]

LIVE: Oregon militia leaders to address press on occupation - 1/9 - 1pm est

Fast forward to 9:57 for the beginning.

ETA: I'm 5 mins in and it's definitely worth watching so far...
#2: PPN (including Idaho 3%ers) arrive and establish neutral security buffer. They talk to media and answer questions after some sort of community leader/liason addresses the media. Interesting stuff.

 

[CPUd]

 

[Schifference]

I thought the interview/press conference was very good. People were well spoken and brought issues to the forefront. Much different than the MSM news report that portrayed the locals as not wanting the protestors there.

 

[phill4paul]

Sooo...what does everyone else think the best way to move forward is?

I've not been behind the Bundy seizure. I've made that known, for many reasons. However, I do concede that the HQ occupation greatly increased the public interest. This cannot be denied.

My personal feel...the Committee of Safety has drafted a notice asking Bundy to leave. Bundy should be prepared to heed this local mandate. They have not voted on whether or not the time is NOW to deliver the notice.

As I believed the locals voice should have led to the seizure so do I believe the local voice should lead to the relinquishing of the HQ.

So...until the local Committee of Safety comes together and delivers the letter then fug it.

The major problem with these folks is that they can't come together and do..anything.

Hopefully, some backbone will come out of this.

 

[youngbuck]

Sooo...what does everyone else think the best way to move forward is?

I think that once the official notice from the Committee of Safety is delivered to Bundy, they should pack up and leave (and take the Sheriff up on his offer for safe travel). Fortunately, with the arrival of the PPN, the window of opportunity for the notice to be delivered and then considered by Bundy, has been extended.

 

[JK/SEA]

my understanding i that 'letter' to leave was voted on, and it was a 3-3 result...3 want them to leave, and 3 do not, therefore, no letter will be delivered.

 

[phill4paul]

I think that once the official notice from the Committee of Safety is delivered to Bundy, they should pack up and leave (and take the Sheriff up on his offer for safe travel). Fortunately, with the arrival of the PPN, the window of opportunity for the notice to be delivered and then considered by Bundy, has been extended.

I'm in agreement. If they do not then I believe the intentions of Payne will be transparent.

 

[phill4paul]

my understanding i that 'letter' to leave was voted on, and it was a 3-3 result...3 want them to leave, and 3 do not, therefore, no letter will be delivered.

That is correct.

 

[youngbuck]

my understanding i that 'letter' to leave was voted on, and it was a 3-3 result...3 want them to leave, and 3 do not, therefore, no letter will be delivered.

My understanding is that the contents of the letter were agreed upon unanimously. The 3-3 vote was regarding the timing of the delivery, i.e. whether to deliver immediately or at some future time in the next few days. A rough draft of the letter/notice has been delivered to Bundy as a courtesy, so as to alert him to their intent.

 

[phill4paul]

My understanding is that the contents of the letter were agreed upon unanimously. The 3-3 vote was regarding the timing of the delivery, i.e. whether to deliver immediately or at some future time in the next few days. A rough draft of the letter/notice has been delivered to Bundy as a courtesy, so as to alert him to their intent.

I stand corrected. :o Yes. Unanimous to leave. Divided on when.

 

[Schifference]

I stand corrected. :o Yes. Unanimous to leave. Divided on when.

That is a no brainer. Yes we all want safe passage for them to leave once they decide they are ready to go.