Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[The Gold Standard]

Meh. I suppose being compared to John Brown isn't the worst thing in the world.

The slaves should have just asked for their freedom politely. Or waited until after their deaths for the possibility of their children being free. It's the American way, right?

Hey, if this isn't some CIA op, then I admire them for doing it. But I'm questioning the wisdom of it in the grand scheme when 99% of the people will be calling for them to be drone bombed or strung up in public.

 

[JK/SEA]

I was broke and tried (unsuccessfully) to get funded to go to the Bundy Ranch. I had my gear equipment and weapons packed and ready, and had my routes drawn out to avoiding gun hostile states like Illinois. I have no problem cashing that check. My perspective may be colored by having been an intelligence analyst and working with the G-3 and S-3 shops to formulate fully fleshed out operation plans. I'll stand right up this very hour and [do things I'm not going to talk about online] if there is a clear and achievable route to victory. I wouldn't even be criticizing if I didn't think this stood a far greater chance of making the beast more powerful and making the sheep more compliant. If it was going to have no tangible effect at all, then it wouldn't matter to me. If I thought it would help, I'd be supporting it.

think making these guys martyrs would help?

 

[phill4paul]

Ryan Payne. That name should be familiar to the members of RPF that followed the Bundy stand-off.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...a-Thickens-Ryan-Payne-Smoked-Out-Not-a-Ranger!!

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Hey, if this isn't some CIA op, then I admire them for doing it. But I'm questioning the wisdom of it in the grand scheme when 99% of the people will be calling for them to be drone bombed or strung up in public.

Kind of makes you want to move to the mountains, right?

War criminals joke on television about their crimes but the taking of property from an agency funded by way of the theft from all, an agency which is notorious for stealing land for political reasons, that gets them fired up.

It's a brave new world. I think I'm going to pour me a cup.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I was broke and tried (unsuccessfully) to get funded to go to the Bundy Ranch. I had my gear equipment and weapons packed and ready, and had my routes drawn out to avoiding gun hostile states like Illinois. I have no problem cashing that check. My perspective may be colored by having been an intelligence analyst and working with the G-3 and S-3 shops to formulate fully fleshed out operation plans. I'll stand right up this very hour and [do things I'm not going to talk about online] if there is a clear and achievable route to victory. I wouldn't even be criticizing if I didn't think this stood a far greater chance of making the beast more powerful and making the sheep more compliant. If it was going to have no tangible effect at all, then it wouldn't matter to me. If I thought it would help, I'd be supporting it.

That you did, and I (think) I cut a check for that effort.

Like I said, I understand your point, I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

think making these guys martyrs would help?

I think at this point the vast majority of American sheeple would cheer if they got Waco'd. It would make 1% of the population MORE angry, 24% of the population wouldn't care, and 75% of the population would be all about killing them some militias. The only positive outcome I can see at this point is if they held the property for 5 years and Oregon became more prosperous as a result. The chances of both of those happening, well, it's pretty slim.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I think at this point the vast majority of American sheeple would cheer if they got Waco'd. It would make 1% of the population MORE angry, 24% of the population wouldn't care, and 75% of the population would be all about killing them some militias. The only positive outcome I can see at this point is if they held the property for 5 years and Oregon became more prosperous as a result. The chances of both of those happening, well, it's pretty slim.

1% of this country is 3.2 million people. They might not want to anger so many people.

 

[Pericles]

I think at this point the vast majority of American sheeple would cheer if they got Waco'd. It would make 1% of the population MORE angry, 24% of the population wouldn't care, and 75% of the population would be all about killing them some militias. The only positive outcome I can see at this point is if they held the property for 5 years and Oregon became more prosperous as a result. The chances of both of those happening, well, it's pretty slim.

Point being you win public support by wanting to be left alone, and the government refuses to do so.

If you are trying to win public support by taking over a BLM building in the middle of nowhere Oregon, most people would suggest another starting point if taking back the government was your true objective.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

1% of this country is 3.2 million people. They might not want to anger so many people.

I was being general, not specific. There are not 3.2 million people in America who identify with the militia. Maybe 500,000 to 700,000 total? If we are lucky maybe as many as 1 million? Even at 1 million it's less than a drop in the bucket. The rule of threes applies. You need 3% direct active support and 30% passive inactive support.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Point being you win public support by wanting to be left alone, and the government refuses to do so.

If you are trying to win public support by taking over a BLM building in the middle of nowhere Oregon, most people would suggest another starting point if taking back the government was your true objective.

Aye, and like it or not public support is the name of this game. The 3% who fought in the American Revolution were only able to do so because of the 30% public support they received. Without that support, pretty much any effort to do anything is dead in the water.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Point being you win public support by wanting to be left alone, and the government refuses to do so.

If you are trying to win public support by taking over a BLM building in the middle of nowhere Oregon, most people would suggest another starting point if taking back the government was your true objective.

If it impedes their progress of taking land in Oregon, who am I to argue with their means? (Whether that be sit ins, voting, et. al) Far as I can see, they still are attempting to be left alone. They've also given warning that further encroachments will not be tolerated. Their line is in the sand. Now, the government can look at this and say, "We've overstepped our Constitutional (supposed) authority" and take a step back or they can further prove their nature.

What they've hinted at is waiting those there out. They know people are watching. Pray for these men and women as the government is well known for murdering peaceful individuals.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I was being general, not specific. There are not 3.2 million people in America who identify with the militia. Maybe 500,000 to 700,000 total? If we are lucky maybe as many as 1 million? Even at 1 million it's less than a drop in the bucket. The rule of threes applies. You need 3% direct active support and 30% passive inactive support.

Whatever the number may be, if it keeps them on their toes and prevents (even temprorarily) the violation of rights, it is better than the alternative.

It is why I don't necessarily knock voting, or waving signs, or anything attempting to restore and protect rights.

If the government were founded on consent these people would not even be there.

 

[phill4paul]

The more I read the more I think this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Bundy/Payne are pissing in someone else's back yard. No co-ordination, no consideration. This is NOT how it should be done.

The occupation of the refuge headquarters came as a surprise to several groups that helped organize the Jan. 2 demonstration in Burns, including 3 Percent of Idaho and other affiliated organizations. In a post on the 3 Percent of Idaho Facebook page, the group detailed its relationship to the demonstration and said the occupation came as a surprise.

"Unbeknownst to the Idaho 3%, Oregon 3%, it’s leaders, associations, rally participants, or the citizens of Harney County; these actions were premeditated and carried out by a small group of persons who chose to carry out this takeover after the rally," the post read. The Idaho group went on to say it does not condone the occupation.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/mi...dlife-refuge-headquarters/Content?oid=3687251

**3% of Idaho Press Release**

Topic: Malheur Wildlife Refuge Siege

On January 2, 2016, various patriot organizations under the direction of the Oregon 3% and associated groups organized a peaceful rally in Burns, Oregon in a show of support for the Hammonds Family and the community of Harney County. The immediate aims of this peaceful protest were to voice dissent of the wrongful prosecution of the Hammonds, the family’s subsequent decision to report to prison for federal charges, and for the refusal of the Sherriff to protect and support the citizens of Harney County. Following the peaceful protest, members of militias and individuals voiced their decision to “take a hard stand” which would be to seize a Federal National Wildlife Refuge building in Malheur County, and succeeded in doing so.

Unbeknownst to the Idaho 3%, Oregon 3%, it’s leaders, associations, rally participants, or the citizens of Harney County; these actions were premeditated and carried out by a small group of persons who chose to carry out this takeover after the rally. The 3% of Idaho, 3% of Oregon, The Oregon Constitutional Guard, and PPN organizations in no way condone nor support these actions. They do not mirror our vision, mission statement, or views in regards to upholding the Constitution, The Rule of Law, or Due Process.

During the weeks leading up to the rally, none of the aforementioned groups made any Calls to Arms to it’s members, nor planned or advocated for any form of armed uprising. The citizens of Harney County remain in solidarity with the aforementioned groups, as well as support our efforts to remain peaceful in our attempt to exercise the 1st Amendment Right. For the time being, we will remain in Harney County to continue to show our support for the Hammonds, and the community. We will continue to release updates and information as it is available. We want to personally thank the citizens of Harney County and Burns for their hospitality and trust.

III% of Idaho

**3% of Idaho Press Release**Topic: Malheur Wildlife Refuge Siege On January 2, 2016, various patriot organizations…

Posted by 3% of Idaho on Saturday, January 2, 2016

http://beehive-2.beforeitsnews.com/...to-malheur-wildlife-refuge-siege-3270118.html

 

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[Uriel999]

Honestly, the more I think about it the more I am convinced Ryan Payne is a government shill.

Aamon Bundy is a naive fool being led to the slaughter by a fedcoat.

The timing is too perfect. EO's by Obama coming Monday and HR4269 with 124 sponsors.

Regardless, keep your powder dry.

 

[erowe1]

It might do just the opposite: a heavy handed and over the top "Waco-esque" response by the central government might ignite and invigorate this effort.

Yes. But that's counting on the feds to make that strategic mistake. I doubt they will.

 

[Uriel999]

Honestly, the more I think about it the more I am convinced Ryan Payne is a government shill.

Aamon Bundy is a naive fool being led to the slaughter by a fedcoat.

The timing is too perfect. EO's by Obama coming Monday and HR4269 with 124 sponsors.

Regardless, keep your powder dry.

Btw, I just want to point out that I've never been a "conspiracy theorist" either.

I believe 9/11 was done by terrorists. I believe all those mass shootings were done by crazy people (although the SSRI link truly needs investigating by science as the ties are profound), I don't think the Boston bombing was fake etc...but this event looks too weird.

I mean Payne could easily be a David Duke. It even just makes sense.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

The more I read the more I think this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Bundy/Payne are pissing in someone else's back yard. No co-ordination, no consideration. This is NOT how it should be done.

Lol. I know right?

And they offended a bunch of socialists, too. Damn hooligans doing something different than other protesters.

 

[erowe1]

The Hammonds have apparently decided that under the circumstances, the martyr card and keep their land is preferable to the rebellion card and potentially lose their land.

The martyr card is a powerful one too. I hope the militia here don't weaken it.

 

[phill4paul]

Lol. I know right?

And they offended a bunch of socialists, too. Damn hooligans doing something different than other protesters.

We're just gonna have to see things differently on this, kc. This is not their backyard. It's not their hard earned acceptance by the locals. There were plenty of places in Nevada they could have whipped their dick out.