Question from a random Norwegian.

[pcosmar]

Europe was disarmed because Europe had a nasty habit of starting nasty wars that cost millions of lives.

Europe was disarmed long before WW1..Peasants were never allowed arms legally. The kings enforcers had them, a few well connected or "nobles" had them.
The whole concept of Free people did not exist. That is a relatively new concept. And one strongly opposed by TPTB.

 

[Demigod]

Europe was disarmed because Europe had a nasty habit of starting nasty wars that cost millions of lives. A funny quote


It is said that at the Paris Exhibition in 1881, a man told Hiram Maxim, an American, that if he wanted to make a fortune, he should invent a machine that would help these Europeans kill each other. He did and sold his machine guns to European countries on the eve of World War One, and changed the nature of war.

Europe is in economical terms more free than Americans. We dont have to work a redicilous amount of hours to buy stuff. But most of all we got time to spend with our families. When it comes to your comment on Paris, well thats completely unrealistic. small arms would have done nothing good against German infantry or armor. Look at the eastern front for examples.

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Country's start wars not people.And every country in Europe is more or less heavily armed,as you said you are buying tens of F-35's ,what do you think is their purpose to feed children in Africa? no it is to wage war.

Europe is also in no way more free economically than the USA and for that matter in any other way.Although on this forum people always talk about the oppressive US government when you read what they are complaining about you will see that those are things Europe has had for more than 100 years.

Here Romney would be a far-right radical, Gingrich and Santorum religious nationalists and RP would be the same as in the USA a "crazy uncle that wants to let kids starve " only Obama could maybe be elected as a moderate/Social-democrat.


And when the economic collapse comes in Europe this summer or winter we will see how well disarming the people of Europe has stopped wars in Europe.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Norwegian media does not in any way use fear mongering and Norwegian politicians always stress that we have good relations. However, they routinely have bombing run exercises simulating bombing our cities. During the cold war they would also pardon my french, fuck with us by driving 5000 tanks to the border only to turn away at the very last minute. There has also been leaks that shows that the relationship can be described as cold. That Norwegian politicians have a head in the sand strategy.

How much access do you have to US media? Just the internet, or are they available on your TV? The US media pushes for a hostile relationship with Putin/Russia on a daily basis.

As far as facing tanks, if you have been supplied by NATO, you should already have plenty of very effective anti-tank weapons, and probably very advanced anti-aircraft weapons. If there was a wide ranging world war, sorry Charlie, you would be on your own anyway. Norway would be far down on the list of priorities for the US to defend. Protecting yourselves would be your only option. And if Russia just decided to go after Norway only with a ground blitzkrieg, help would not come in time to prevent that. Once again, you would be on your own. Your help from America would consist of (hopefully accurate) surgical bombing of your cities after you have already been occupied (and after debate in the US/UN). War is hell. Prevention is the best option.

 

[Demigod]

How much access do you have to US media? Just the internet, or are they available on your TV? The US media pushes for a hostile relationship with Putin/Russia on a daily basis.

As far as facing tanks, if you have been supplied by NATO, you should already have plenty of very effective anti-tank weapons, and probably very advanced anti-aircraft weapons. If there was a wide ranging world war, sorry Charlie, you would be on your own anyway. Norway would be far down on the list of priorities for the US to defend. Protecting yourselves would be your only option. And if Russia just decided to go after Norway only with a ground blitzkrieg, help would not come in time to prevent that. Once again, you would be on your own. Your help from America would consist of (hopefully accurate) surgical bombing of your cities after you have already been occupied (and after debate in the US/UN). War is hell. Prevention is the best option.

The tank maneuvers were standard Soviet practice,every Socialist republic did those.I guess they did them to see in how much time they could do a full mobilization and get to the borders.

 

[RickyJ]

Your nation has more to fear from the USA than Russia. That should be evident considering the invasions of nations all over the globe by the USA. Ron Paul will bring all troops home to defend America.

When he wins? I like that thinking!

 

[dannno]

Considering that Russia is a mafia state, it is impossible to know what they would do. We all see what they did to Georgia, a tiny country.

Ok, first of all, Georgia attacked civilian structures in South Ossetia FIRST. South Ossetia is a disputed territory, the citizens of which have broken off of Georgia because Georgia is a US puppet regime, Saakashvili is a puppet, he even eats ties:

But seriously, South Ossetia wants to be with Russia, not Georgia, and the people of South Ossetia have already made that clear. So when Georgia attacked the civilian structures to keep them in line, Russia defended them by attacking Georgia.

The media ended up using pictures of Georgia attacking apartment buildings in South Ossetia and was using them to say that Russia was attacking civilian structures in Georgia. There was a lot of propaganda going around at the time and I'm not surprised the information reached your country that way.

Russia isn't perfect and might not have acted perfect, but the fact is that Georgia was the aggressor in that conflict.

 

[MrWalker]

Hej norske broder. Jag tror inte Ron Paul bryr sig om så små länder som våra...

Anyhow i think he has a pretty egalitarian view on nation states. It is evident from the sight he has on Israel.

 

[thoughtomator]

Ok I hope I'm not stepping on your toes when I say this, but reading or watching documentaries about how Russia has treated countries like Chechnya might change your mind.

Have you seen what the US has done to many of the countries it has dominated, throughout the South American continent and all throughout Asia? Study your history - the USA are mean mofos and we outsource the real bloody work to pretend our hands our clean.

 

[AceNZ]

If the US were to pull away from Norway, I'm sure at least the UK would step in. The UK has nukes, and they need Norwegian oil, so it seems very unlikely to me that they would allow Russia to invade or occupy Norway. I can't imagine that France would be happy with such an incursion, either, and they also have nukes.

Having said that, with the evolving economic and political changes in the world, any country that relies primarily on others for its defense is leaving themselves open to risk.

If Norway were invaded, the terrain there is such that the country would be impossible to hold IF the residents fought back.

I live in New Zealand, a country of about the same size and population as Norway, and with similar rich natural resources. We're fortunate to not have an neighbors with common borders, but there is still a feeling of concern, particularly with regard to China, but even from currently friendly Australia and US.

 

[Random Norwegian]

OP, out of curiosity, what party do you vote for in Norway? The Progress Party seems at least somewhat libertarian-ish.

Hello seyferjm and everyone else.

I'm currently busy organizing a strike so I don't have much time at the moment so sorry for the late replies.


The progress party is on paper libertarian-ish. But they are just as dogmatic as the rest. I really don't have a party to vote for,
and I have many times thought about starting a party influenced by Ron Paul. Problem is its going to cost a lot of resources
and I'm not that sure I have the drive to complete it. Because it would be extremely difficult. But in any case I keep thinking about it a lot.

 

[Random Norwegian]

How much access do you have to US media? Just the internet, or are they available on your TV? The US media pushes for a hostile relationship with Putin/Russia on a daily basis.

As far as facing tanks, if you have been supplied by NATO, you should already have plenty of very effective anti-tank weapons, and probably very advanced anti-aircraft weapons. If there was a wide ranging world war, sorry Charlie, you would be on your own anyway. Norway would be far down on the list of priorities for the US to defend. Protecting yourselves would be your only option. And if Russia just decided to go after Norway only with a ground blitzkrieg, help would not come in time to prevent that. Once again, you would be on your own. Your help from America would consist of (hopefully accurate) surgical bombing of your cities after you have already been occupied (and after debate in the US/UN). War is hell. Prevention is the best option.

I read a few US newspapers just to get different sides of a story. That said, I think CNN, Fox and MSNBC are awful. I enjoy the NYT because they got those long articles unlike the tabloid format of the others. I read LA times as well. We got access to CNN international but I don't watch it.

When it comes to relationship with russia then that speaks for itself. Russia is in no way a democracy, and Putin is on his way to become the next tsar. Keep in mind, hes a former KGB officer and being nice is not one of the perquisites. I suspect former Soviet satellites share my concern when it comes to Russia.

When it comes to our military, we are simply too few to protect ourselves from Russia so thats not an option unfortunately.

 

[Random Norwegian]

Your nation has more to fear from the USA than Russia. That should be evident considering the invasions of nations all over the globe by the USA.

Strongly disagree.

 

[Random Norwegian]

Ok, first of all, Georgia attacked civilian structures in South Ossetia FIRST. South Ossetia is a disputed territory, the citizens of which have broken off of Georgia because Georgia is a US puppet regime, Saakashvili is a puppet, he even eats ties:

Common! How probably is it that a tiny country would attack a giant like Russia? Georgia is not a member of NATO. and if you watch that picture, you will see not a mad person but someone under extreme pressure

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ened-to-hang-Georgia-leader-by-the-balls.html

But seriously, South Ossetia wants to be with Russia, not Georgia, and the people of South Ossetia have already made that clear. So when Georgia attacked the civilian structures to keep them in line, Russia defended them by attacking Georgia.

Most of the neighboring countries acknowledge Russian manipulation.

The media ended up using pictures of Georgia attacking apartment buildings in South Ossetia and was using them to say that Russia was attacking civilian structures in Georgia. There was a lot of propaganda going around at the time and I'm not surprised the information reached your country that way.

Russia isn't perfect and might not have acted perfect, but the fact is that Georgia was the aggressor in that conflict.

Russia isn't perfect nor is anyone else. But Russia is not a democracy, its an oligarchy.

 

[Random Norwegian]

Hej norske broder. Jag tror inte Ron Paul bryr sig om så små länder som våra...

Anyhow i think he has a pretty egalitarian view on nation states. It is evident from the sight he has on Israel.

Hei bror. Jeg håper ikke du har rett.

Thats true. Israel is a long way from the US though. Perhaps a strong Europe is in the interest of the US. It has always been so.

 

[Demigod]

I read a few US newspapers just to get different sides of a story. That said, I think CNN, Fox and MSNBC are awful. I enjoy the NYT because they got those long articles unlike the tabloid format of the others. I read LA times as well. We got access to CNN international but I don't watch it.

When it comes to relationship with russia then that speaks for itself. Russia is in no way a democracy, and Putin is on his way to become the next tsar. Keep in mind, hes a former KGB officer and being nice is not one of the perquisites. I suspect former Soviet satellites share my concern when it comes to Russia.

When it comes to our military, we are simply too few to protect ourselves from Russia so thats not an option unfortunately.

Not really

 

[Random Norwegian]

Have you seen what the US has done to many of the countries it has dominated, throughout the South American continent and all throughout Asia? Study your history - the USA are mean mofos and we outsource the real bloody work to pretend our hands our clean.

The Us crimes has mostly been people with PSD going mental killing a few people. The Russian forces on the other hand abduct males of all ages and simply kill them in their break away republics. Not to mention the rape of women. I'm desperately trying to remember the name of a documentary I saw, trust me it was nasty. Russian soldiers rounding up crying 16 year olds who were begging their families to not take them away. If you read up on it, the Russians used heavy artillery on Chechnyan cities when Putin took over from Yeltsin. Russian wages war the old fashion way.

 

[Random Norwegian]

If the US were to pull away from Norway, I'm sure at least the UK would step in. The UK has nukes, and they need Norwegian oil, so it seems very unlikely to me that they would allow Russia to invade or occupy Norway. I can't imagine that France would be happy with such an incursion, either, and they also have nukes.

Having said that, with the evolving economic and political changes in the world, any country that relies primarily on others for its defense is leaving themselves open to risk.

If Norway were invaded, the terrain there is such that the country would be impossible to hold IF the residents fought back.

I live in New Zealand, a country of about the same size and population as Norway, and with similar rich natural resources. We're fortunate to not have an neighbors with common borders, but there is still a feeling of concern, particularly with regard to China, but even from currently friendly Australia and US.

Mmmmm you are possibly right.

 

[ExPatPaki]

Russia isn't perfect nor is anyone else. But Russia is not a democracy, its an oligarchy.

As you post more, you'll find that people here are not really fans of democracy either.

 

[Demigod]

The Us crimes has mostly been people with PSD going mental killing a few people. The Russian forces on the other hand abduct males of all ages and simply kill them in their break away republics. Not to mention the rape of women. I'm desperately trying to remember the name of a documentary I saw, trust me it was nasty. Russian soldiers rounding up crying 16 year olds who were begging their families to not take them away. If you read up on it, the Russians used heavy artillery on Chechnyan cities when Putin took over from Yeltsin. Russian wages war the old fashion way.

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You have really been watching too much movies.The only Soviet republic that has been attacked is Georgia and that is it.Regions such as Chechnya, Kazakhstan,Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan had been Russian for a very long time.After the Soviet Union broke up they let some secede but some were not allowed although they could have kept all of them under control.40% + of the population in that region is Slavic and Russian is the most spoken language or close second but everyone knows it.

No government will ever let regions to secede without getting something else in return.If the USA federal government had a collapse and some states or regions decided to secede and form new countries after they pull things back together it would try to assimilate them all back.

 

[ExPatPaki]

You have really been watching too much movies.

Well our Norwegian friend did say that he watched a documentary. Perhaps he could post the name of it.