Question for anarchists - How would you handle national defense?

RiseAgainst said:
Tell me where the successful minimal governments are. If the only thing you are interested in is what exists, and what you can do, why are we having this conversation? The war on drugs exists, deal with it. NDAA, Patriot, etc. exist, therefore they are right.

Your line of reasoning is shallow and devoid of any rational pursuit of what is right and just.
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Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore, the US for a couple hundred years.

But I asked you first. Your turn.
 
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Madison320 said:
Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore, the US for the couple hundred years.

But I asked you first. Your turn.
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There goes your cognitive dissonance again. The US had a minimalist government, but an all powerful tyranical state took it over. By your very reasoning, this proves once and for all that minimalist government is unfit to exist.

Next topic please?
 
RiseAgainst said:
There goes your cognitive dissonance again. The US had a minimalist government, but an all powerful tyranical state took it over. By your very reasoning, this proves once and for all that minimalist government is unfit to exist.

Next topic please?
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Why can't you answer the question?
 
I'm going to out on a limb and say that almost everyone on this website has major issues with big government. The point is that the alternative of anarchism is worse than even a moderately sized government. The anarchists remind me of people that complain about using oil for energy. Yeah, oil sucks, it's dirty, it's limited in supply but it's still way better than a windmill.

So again I ask, name a successful anarchy. Somalia? Sudan?
 
Madison320 said:
I'm going to out on a limb and say that almost everyone on this website has major issues with big government. The point is that the alternative of anarchism is worse than even a moderately sized government. The anarchists remind me of people that complain about using oil for energy. Yeah, oil sucks, it's dirty, it's limited in supply but it's still way better than a windmill.

So again I ask, name a successful anarchy. Somalia? Sudan?
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I don't feel like getting involved with much of this discussion, but it is very entertaining. However, I wanted to make one quick point:

I think your idea of anarchism is a bit antiquated and closed-minded. Anarchists here are advocating for anarchy in an advanced society, not a return to primitive conditions (the way you think of anarchy). It doesn't exist anywhere because no one has tried it yet, not in the way that the anarchists here are advocating for it. That point was made earlier, but I'm not sure that you understood it. The oil/windmill example you use is a great comparison. No one wants to go back to windmills, but wind turbines are a completely different matter. Extremely similar in nature, but more much advanced and effective. Try to think of modern anarchist theory that way. The world isn't the same place it was 500 years ago, or even 50 years ago.
 
RiseAgainst said:
I'm confused, are you agaisnt competition?
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Violent competition? Based on the necessity to join a local 'club' to avoid obliteration? Why is this desirable?

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Historical Examples

Medieval Iceland and the Absence of Government by Thomas Whiston
The Mild, Mild West by John Tierney
An American Experiment in Anarcho-Capitalism: The Not So Wild, Wild West by Terry L. Anderson and P.J. Hill
Ireland's Success with the Free Market and Anarchism from For a New Liberty, I think.
Property Rights In Celtic Irish Law by Joseph R. Peden
Pennsylvania's Anarchist Experiment: 1681-1690 by Murray Rothbard
The Jurisprudence Of Polycentric Law by Tom W. Bell (includes Historical examples of polycentric legal systems)
Law Prior to the State (Polycentric Law) by Tom W. Bell
Customary Legal Systems with Voluntary Enforcement & The Rise of Authoritarian Law by Bruce L. Benson (from The Enterprise of Law)
Voluntaryism and Protective Agencies in Historical Perspective by Carl Watner
The English Experience With Private Protection by Roderick T. Long



Anarchy in Somalia by Bob P. Murphy
Somalia: Failed State, Economic Success? by Benjamin Powell
Somali “Anarchy” Is More Orderly than Somali Government by Benjamin Powell
 
otherone said:
I'm sorry...what were you saying?
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You're right, the world is exactly the same as it was 500 years ago. I have no idea how we're even communicating right now. Must be black magic! I better go get back to fields before my lord has me flogged again!

I'm really not sure what the point of your comment was. Nasty pictures are fun?
 
Madison320 said:
Why can't you answer the question?
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Can't answer your red herring, which you yourself can't answer in defense of limited government? You're not interested in discussion or expanding your understanding, you have your pre-conceived notion and you're doing your best to try and steer the conversation in a way which validates the result you want.

When you are interested in seeking a rational course for human existence, whatever form that may take, then please let me know.
 
crh88 said:
You're right, the world is exactly the same as it was 500 years ago. I have no idea how we're even communicating right now.
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Do you honestly believe technology changes human nature? What is the difference between 3rd century genocide and 20th century genocide? Efficiency? Black Magic?
 
otherone said:
You realize that "warlords" "tyrants" are nothing without minions serfs?
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Agreed.

As typical of statists, in your haste to 'destroy' anarchy at all costs you do far more damage to your own position as a statist. The vast majority of every statist argument that has ever been brought up on this forum is far more an argument for nihilism than it is against anarchy or for statism.
 
RiseAgainst said:
As typical of statists, in your haste to 'destroy' anarchy at all costs you do far more damage to your own position as a statist.
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All costs? Really? The purpose of government is to protect the Rights of the individual. Has it worked? Not really. How can anarchy protect my Rights? Sell me. I have no allegiance to any system.
 
otherone said:
All costs? Really? The purpose of government is to protect the Rights of the individual. Has it worked? Not really. How can anarchy protect my Rights? Sell me. I have no allegiance to any system.
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No 'system' can protect your rights. You, or those you voluntarily cooperate/contract with, must defend them. The difference between anarchy and statism is that anarchy does not VIOLATE your natural rights, while statism does. That which violates your rights CANNOT protect your rights.

Freedom is NOT simple, it is NOT easy, it is NOT 'safe'. However, it is far preferable to the alternative.
 
I have no problem with paying taxes as long as it goes to having my fundamental rights protected.

I have no desire to fend off strays and attackers 24/7 in an anarchist system.
 
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