Putin The Guilty

[ClaytonB]

I am fine with giving High Speed Metal to Nazis.

High-speed lead poisoning...

 

[pcosmar]

High-speed lead poisoning...

Steel Jacket is fine. Kill enough to drive the rest into hiding forever. or for another hundred years.

 

[pcosmar]

Steel Jacket is fine. Kill enough to drive the rest into hiding forever. or for another hundred years.

Russian Bombs have taken out 35 ,,at a training center..
Destroyed a Bunch of NATO Equipment too.
and a lot of Wounded who can reconsider their decisions.

 

[sparebulb]

Russian Bombs have taken out 35 ,,at a training center..
Destroyed a Bunch of NATO Equipment too.
and a lot of Wounded who can reconsider their decisions.

Gee, i sure hope that NATO bought the road hazard insurance on all of their broken stuff.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Biden has sworn to defend NATO. NATO could be the red line.

 

[vita3]

Biden has sworn to defend NATO. NATO could be the red line.

Details haven’t seen before about US National Guard training Ukrainian Army to NATO standards... this went on for years

https://www.cpr.org/2020/01/24/far-...-us-troops-who-provide-ukraines-military-aid/

 

[vita3]

Men and women from Wisconsin are joined here by soldiers from Canada, Lithuania, and Poland, who are all working together to help train Ukraine's military to work directly with NATO.

The United States has provided $1.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine since the country's war with Russia-backed separatists started in 2015. That military assistance helps buy rifles, medical supplies, and other items. It also supports the U.S. troops stationed in Ukraine

 

[Invisible Man]

This is the way the world works. Always has, always will. Every set of rules, ethics, and morality, is mere veneer over this indisputable fact.

That indisputable fact was proven wrong when Jesus defeated his enemies by letting them kill him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So I did. I stand publicly asshole-ified, hoisted by my own petard... or is it retard?

I see this is a job for Preparation-H!

PS: I can only guess at what it was I was thinking at the time.​

Apropos of absolutely nothing in this thread, but I love what the etymology of that phrase shows.

"Hoisted by your own petard".

A "petard" was a small explosive device on a stick, designed to be lit and then thrust into a redoubt, wall, gate or door, in order to blow open the locked entryway.

Think, a grenade on a pole.

To be "hoisted" by your own petard means, simply, to be blown up by your own plans and machinations, that ironically blow up in your face.

The phrase is Shakespearean in origin, first appearing in "Hamlet":

There’s letters sealed; and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fanged,
They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work,
For ’tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard; and ’t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon. O, ’tis most sweet
When in one line two crafts directly meet.

— Prince Hamlet, in Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4.

Essentially it is a 17th century version of Nelson Muntz's "Hah Hah!"

 

[Invisible Man]

So I did. I stand publicly asshole-ified, hoisted by my own petard... or is it retard?

I see this is a job for Preparation-H!

PS: I can only guess at what it was I was thinking at the time.​

The Osan who believes that normative considerations are important is closer to the Osan he ought to be than the one who does not.

Logic alone suffices to prove this simply because in the world of the latter there is no such thing as ought.

 

[ClaytonB]

That indisputable fact was proven wrong when Jesus defeated his enemies by letting them kill him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That indisputable fact was proven wrong when Jesus defeated his enemies by letting them kill him.

When GOD brings us his Kingdom the world will change.
The change has not happened yet.

 

[Invisible Man]

When GOD brings us his Kingdom the world will change.
The change has not happened yet.

In the mean time, Jesus calls his disciples to take up their crosses and follow him. And those who have done so have proven that this rule about the last being first worked for them as it did for their Lord, just as he promised them it would. It has truthfully been said that the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

 

[ClaytonB]

In the mean time, Jesus calls his disciples to take up their crosses and follow him. And those who have done so have proven that this rule about the last being first worked for them as it did for their Lord, just as he promised them it would. It has truthfully been said that the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

^^^ This. Without the church, the saints and the martyrs, the death and resurrection of Jesus is "just a story". The living work of God in the lives of believers is made tangibly visible to the unbelieving world through the testimony of the saints. "Why doesn't God just reveal himself, then we'll believe?" (a) He doesn't owe anyone to put on a dog-and-pony show for them, and (b) the real cause of unbelief has nothing to do with a lack of a "sign", a point that Jesus repeated to the Jews over and over. So we are the sign. Our blood, our suffering, our testimony -- this is how Jesus is proving to the world that he is, indeed, Lord. Chest-thumping "conservative Christianity" is antichrist. There's nothing wrong with being prepared to defend yourself. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the use of firearms and other tools of self-defense. But there is something wrong with an itching trigger-finger and blood-lust -- it is antichrist. Faith calls us to be ready to have our blood shed, not to be ready to shed blood. That's the whole point in contention... the blood-shedders lose in the end...

 

[acptulsa]

... the blood-shedders lose in the end...

The blood shedders? So the winners in the end are whom? The blood sheddees? Whose blood is it, anyway?

Maybe bloodletters would work better...

 

[Invisible Man]

The blood shedders? So the winners in the end are whom? The blood sheddees? Whose blood is it, anyway?

Maybe bloodletters would work better...

That question comes down to asking in whose blood the robe in Revelation 19:13 is dipped. I tend to think that it is the blood of the wearer himself.

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[ClaytonB]

The blood shedders? So the winners in the end are whom? The blood sheddees? Whose blood is it, anyway?

Have you not read the good book?

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4)

I'm just citing one verse to paint the picture, the Bible says a great deal more about this subject. The entire point of the Gospel is that, since God is the Creator, the things that happen in the material creation do not define reality. The violent dictator who slaughters all who will not bow to his tyranny appears, for a time, to be god-of-all-he-surveys. Then, like all men, he dies. Mao is dead. Castro is dead. Ceausescu is dead. There are far more dead tyrants than living ones. For this reason, the devil's lie is that Death is God. All men die, and that is because Death is the true God of everything. Death is omnipotent and inescapable. The Gospel contradicts the devil's lie, and asserts that neither butchering tyrants, nor the grave are anything at all but, rather, God is the Creator of both and will destroy both at the end of the Age (which will be the end of this world.)

Maybe bloodletters would work better...

Martyr-complex and real martyrdom have nothing to do with each other...

 

[ClaytonB]

That question comes down to asking in whose blood the robe in Revelation 19:13 is dipped. I tend to think that it is the blood of the wearer himself.

In the case of Rev. 19's winepress imagery, it is, indeed, the blood of the wicked, since Rev. 19 is really quoting/extending Isaiah 63:

Who is this coming from Edom,
From Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
Striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
“It is I, proclaiming victory,
Mighty to save.”
Why are your garments red,
Like those of one treading the winepress?
“I have trodden the winepress alone;
From the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
And trod them down in my wrath;
Their blood spattered my garments,
And I stained all my clothing.
It was for me the day of vengeance;
The year for me to redeem had come.
I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
So my own arm achieved salvation for me,
And my own wrath sustained me.
I trampled the nations in my anger;
In my wrath I made them drunk
And poured their blood on the ground.”
(Isaiah 63:1-6)

The difference between the righteous and the wicked is not that the wicked believe in bloodshed, and we don't. Rather, the difference is that we believe in righteousness and, therefore, we will only accept the righteous sacrifice as valid. All who slaughter their brother for their own ends, as Cain did Abel, are unrighteous. Rather, we wait for the righteous sacrifice which is symbolized and fulfilled in the sacrifice of Jesus. All who reject God's offer of salvation to the point of incorrigible rebellion will then face him at the valley of Hinnom from which will flow the river of their blood, bridle-deep and about 200 miles long. There will be blood.

 

[acptulsa]

Have you not read the good book?

Several. Mirriam Webster. Funk and Wagnall. Quite a few.

I'm just citing one verse to paint the picture, the Bible says a great deal more about this subject.

Never known the Bible to define "shed".

To have (a growth or covering) be disconnected or fall off by a natural process.
To rid oneself of (something not wanted or needed).
To take off (an article of clothing).
To produce and release (a tear or tears).
To pour forth.

I can shed my coat when the day warms up. But I can't shed your coat unless I beg, borrow or steal it and put it on first.