Prove Iran is NOT a threat

[cdc482]

Hey everyone,

My cousin and I would like your help to prove to our neo-con friend that Iran is not a threat. This is our basic case so far:

1. Iran has never once mentioned any hostility towards the United States.
2. Iran is years away from a nuclear weapon. (Heard RP say this, but does anyone know of any sources).
3. Ahmadinejad never said he intended to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth."
4. Iran can't even afford enough gasoline for themselves: how could they afford a war? (Sources please).
5. Iran isn't suicidal. Why would they attack the worlds largest superpower?

Hope you guys can provide some quality articles, etc.

 

[robertwerden]

Prove that they are. Show your work

 

[cdc482]

Prove that they are. Show your work

Funny you say that. I just send this to my cousin.

Here's a good start. Gets to the heart of the war propaganda.
http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

Kind of unfair that we have to provide sources that Iran is NOT a threat, when there are no good sources indicating Iran is a threat.
What information is there to indicate that Iran would be suicidal enough to attack the worlds largest superpower? Supposedly it's because they are "extremists" who hate our freedoms, but I've yet to see any good sources proving this.


Working on finding quality sources for the following:
1. Iran has never once mentioned any hostility towards the United States (Hard to definitely prove).
2. Iran is years away from a nuclear weapon (Gonna get the UN and CIA reports if possible).
3. Iran can't even afford enough gasoline for their people let alone a full scale war. (This one should be easy).

 

[Travlyr]

IRAN IS SURROUNDED BY U.S.- NATO MILITARY BASES

As long as they are surrounded by the most high tech well funded military industrial complex the world has ever known ... no way.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

The only threat there is concerning Iran is that we invade them and waste even more money and lives in the process.

 

[cdc482]

Thanks guys. That's a helpful picture.

But can you provide proof of either of the following?
1. Iran can't afford enough gasoline for their people let alone a full scale war.
2. Iran is years away from a nuclear weapon. Any CIA or UN reports on this?
^^
Ron Paul has said both of these things, but I'm not finding any confirming sources.

That would be EXTREMELY helpful.

 

[Knightskye]

Our own intelligence organizations say that Iran hasn't decided whether it wants to create a nuclear weapon in the first place, only that it could if it wanted to. Also, the former and current heads of the Mossad say that even if Iran had a nuclear weapon, it wouldn't necessarily be a threat to Israel.

 

[PierzStyx]

Funny you say that. I just send this to my cousin.

Here's a good start. Gets to the heart of the war propaganda.
http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

Kind of unfair that we have to provide sources that Iran is NOT a threat, when there are no good sources indicating Iran is a threat.
What information is there to indicate that Iran would be suicidal enough to attack the worlds largest superpower? Supposedly it's because they are "extremists" who hate our freedoms, but I've yet to see any good sources proving this.


Working on finding quality sources for the following:
1. Iran has never once mentioned any hostility towards the United States (Hard to definitely prove).
2. Iran is years away from a nuclear weapon (Gonna get the UN and CIA reports if possible).
3. Iran can't even afford enough gasoline for their people let alone a full scale war. (This one should be easy).

The problem with the Iran nukes thing is that the reports I've read that while no proof exists Iran IS building one, they are pursuing a UN sanctioned nuclear energy development program. And many elements from that program could easily be turned towards making a nuclear weapon in short order. For most neo-cons teh fact that it could be possible would be enough for them. But here is one talking about hwo they aren't building nukes http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...tid=56:international-war-on-terror&Itemid=109

As to the production of gasoline http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...r/2007/11/why_is_iran_importing_gasoline.html

Also compare the armed forces of the nations. Iran has a total of 545,000 people in the Army, Navy, and Air Force with about as man in reserve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran The United States has 1.5 MILLION in the Army, Navy, and Air Force with another 1.5 MILLION in reserve. We literally have double the manpower. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_armed_forces We are farther advanced and better trained than their military in every way. The idea the pose a threat to us is ridiculous. We'd crush them within days. The idea I should be afraid of them is ridiculous.

 

[MyEyesTheyBurn]

You can't prove a negative? Prove that there isn't an ice cream factory on Jupiter.

 

[2young2vote]

I don't think they are worried about Iran directly, they are worried about Iran giving aid (weapons, other technology, possibly nuclear missiles) to organizations that WOULD attack the US.

 

[MyEyesTheyBurn]

And from Iran's perspective...

I don't think they are worried about U.S. directly, they are worried about U.S. giving aid (weapons, other technology, possibly nuclear missiles) to organizations that WOULD attack Iran.

 

[Brett85]

Rather than trying to convince people that Iran isn't a threat, I sometimes just try to convince people that there are ways that we can defend ourselves without actually starting a war. For example, we could focus on creating a missile defense system that's capable of knocking down a missile that contains a nuclear warhead. I believe we now have a missile defense system that can knock down a regular missile, but not one carrying a nuclear warhead. If we did this, it would act as a deterrent against Iran getting a nuclear weapon, and there would be no chance at all that Iran would succeed at carrying out an attack against the United States. We could also sell this technology to Israel, allowing them to have a high tech missile defense system that could knock down a nuclear warhead launched by Iran.

 

[jay_dub]

Defense Secretary Panetta last month said Iran was not building a nuclear weapon, but are seeking a 'nuclear capability'.

 

[Bossobass]

Iran Fears The US Is Building Its 8,500th Nuclear Weapon.

Bosso

 

[Simple]

The Iranians are trying to enrich uranium for a medical reactor we sold them. If it came to war, a naval blockade would run them out of gasoline in short order. They're trying to get the uranium to 20% for the medical reactor, but it would need to be enriched to near 100% for weapons grade. I can't lay out the time table for enrichment, but if its taken all these years and they're not at 20% that tells me there is time to negotiate. The Iranians are abiding by the nuclear treaties and are being monitored. Even our Secretary of Defense says that Iran is not trying to build a weapon.

 

[pacelli]

I don't think Iran has invaded another country for about 2000 years, give or take.

 

[Seraphim]

The war is about the petro dollar not a physical threat.

The US Military/Isreal are not afraid of Iran 1 bit, from a military stand point. They ARE afraid of the currency war and the death of the petrodollar - which just happens to finance their military empire.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The burdon of proof is on those who would like to initiate a war.

There is no evidence that Iran is suicidal. As a matter of fact, Persians are just as rational, if not more so, than most of their neighbors.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The burdon of proof is on those who would like to initiate a war.

There is no evidence that Iran is suicidal. As a matter of fact, Persians are just as rational, if not more so, than most of their neighbors.

This^^ IIRC, the persians haven't been seriously aggressive in their neighborhood since the Persian empire fell.

Rev9

 

[iakobos]

I don't think they are worried about Iran directly, they are worried about Iran giving aid (weapons, other technology, possibly nuclear missiles) to organizations that WOULD attack the US.

And then once we've traced the origin of the nuke back to Iran and destroyed them with our nukes, Iran wouldn't have anything to gain by it. The Iranian leadership may not be the brightest in the world, but they haven't lasted this long by being totally stupid. But if they did attack us, where would they do it? Probably not on our soil. (That is not the 50 States that constitutes real American soil.) If they did anything it would be against our empire in parts of the world we have no business being involved with. Still, giving the US a wide open reason for a hot war is strategically stupid. They won't do it. The best reason to get the bomb is they know we'll never (see North Korea, USSR, China) think about an invasion of their country once they have nuclear capability. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'd say Iran's real threat to the US is Iran is about to start trading oil in a currency other than the dollar. That's something the powers-that-be simply can't allow. (You know how the saying goes, follow the money.) Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil in currencies besides the dollar and look what happened to him. (I'm not saying that was causation but the correlation is troubling.) IMO, Iranian WMDs are simply another pretext for war. Therefore, protecting the dollar's reserve status while also enriching those who have everything to gain by the spoils of another war is what's really afoot. When you look at all the debt the US has piled up, and look at our inflation (QE1 and 2), and look at our bloated empire, and look at nations, like Iran, who are starting to end the dollar as the world's reserve currency, it becomes evident this is the beginning of the end for American Imperialism. However, we'll probably have a few more wars left in us before it all falls apart.

Being a man of prayer, I pray to God that it won't have to end this way. I'm not convinced, in this account, that my prayers are having any affect.