Protestants and a Churchless Tradition: “Sola” vs. “Solo” Scriptura

[Olaf]

Speaking of that--why don't you share why you're on this site posting all kinds of trolling nonsense.

So supporting scientific progress which benefits mankind and saves million of lives is trolling?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So supporting scientific progress which benefits mankind and saves million of lives is trolling?

Oh, so THAT's why you're here. Don't know how I missed that.

 

[Olaf]

Oh, so THAT's why you're here. Don't know how I missed that.

No, I'm here because I support Rand. Unlike his kooky father, he's a smart and rational man with an amazing ability to unite people from across the political and demographic spectrum behind the cause of liberty. He has a great chance of becoming the next POTUS and I want to he part of that.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

No, I'm here because I support Rand. Unlike his kooky father, he's a smart and rational man with an amazing ability to unite people from across the political and demographic spectrum behind the cause of liberty. He has a great chance of becoming the next POTUS and I want to he part of that.

Well, it looks like your support of this forum's second most dubious character ain't been a good start for you:

Wow, PRB completely owned this thread. Great posts!

 

[Olaf]

Well, it looks like your support of this forum's second most dubious character ain't been a good start for you:

PRB, from what I've seen, is a fantastic poster.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

PRB, from what I've seen, is a fantastic poster.

LOL. That's because you ARE prb. Don't forget to continue to + rep your new account every five minutes like you've been doing.

 

[Olaf]

LOL. That's because you ARE prb. Don't forget to continue to + rep your new account every five minutes like you've been doing.

No, I'm not him.

And what is + rep?

 

[Traditionalist]

It was a non sola scriptura tradition that allowed Catholics to kill Orthodox Christians during one of the crusades and believe they were doing God a favor.

The Crusades against the East were in response to the Byzantines persecuting Western Christians. Ironically, if the West had been successful in keeping Constantinople it may have never fallen into Islamic hands.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

PRB, from what I've seen, is a fantastic poster.

Seeing as how you both have negative rep bars now--I'll just consider the source.

 

[jmdrake]

This is incorrect. All the Patriarchates are in communion with one another and hold all important matters in common (doctrine, dogma, etc). You'll find differences in hymnody (some use Russian style, others Byzantine, etc) and general style of speaking pastors use, but that's it. My godmother, for example, occasionally attends a local Russian Orthodox Church, even though her primary/home church is Antiochian.

Hence, it is called "catholic"-in the literal sense-"universal". The only exception I can think of is the Oriental Orthodox Church, which is schismatic.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has books in its cannon that the Greek Orthodox church does not. So that's not the same belief even if you want to believe that it is. Their core beliefs may be the same, but again this thread is "Sola Scriptura" and for these churches to be the same on this point they would have to have the same cannon.

 

[Olaf]

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has books in its cannon that the Greek Orthodox church does not. So that's not the same belief even if you want to believe that it is. Their core beliefs may be the same, but again this thread is "Sola Scriptura" and for these churches to be the same on this point they would have to have the same cannon.

The Ethiopian and Greek Churches are not in communion with one another and haven't been since the 4th century. they don't claim to believe the same things or have the same canon because they don't!

 

[jmdrake]

The Ethiopian and Greek Churches are not in communion with one another and haven't been since the 4th century. they don't claim to believe the same things or have the same canon because they don't!

Thanks! And now you know what a +rep is because I just gave you one. Click the "*" next to "Blog this post" if you want to give a plus rep (or a neg rep).

 

[erowe1]

The Crusades against the East were in response to the Byzantines persecuting Western Christians. Ironically, if the West had been successful in keeping Constantinople it may have never fallen into Islamic hands.

Yeah, if Constantinople had just tolerated being ruled by a distant regime it wouldn't have ended up being ruled by a distant regime.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Is the splintering and fragmentation a clue and a hint to the Satanic corruption?

 

[jmdrake]

The Crusades against the East were in response to the Byzantines persecuting Western Christians. Ironically, if the West had been successful in keeping Constantinople it may have never fallen into Islamic hands.

So basically you'res saying the Eastern Orthodox church was just as corrupt as the Roman Catholic church. Okay. Protestantism FTW!

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, if Constantinople had just tolerated being ruled by a distant regime it wouldn't have ended up being ruled by a distant regime.

And that's the basic thinking behind western imperialism today. We had to destroy that village in order to save it.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Is the splintering and fragmentation a clue and a hint to the Satanic corruption?

Yes, on both sides.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

So basically you'res saying the Eastern Orthodox church was just as corrupt as the Roman Catholic church. Okay. Protestantism FTW!

lolz

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has books in its cannon that the Greek Orthodox church does not. So that's not the same belief even if you want to believe that it is. Their core beliefs may be the same, but again this thread is "Sola Scriptura" and for these churches to be the same on this point they would have to have the same cannon.

Yup, I didn't claim otherwise. The Ethiopian Church is Oriental. Nobody claims it to be a patriarchate of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches

[h=1]Oriental Orthodox[/h] (Redirected from Oriental Orthodox Churches)
The term Oriental Orthodox refers to the churches of Eastern Christian traditions that keep the faith of only the first three Ecumenical Councils of the Orthodox Church—the councils of Nicea I, Constantinople I and Ephesus. The Oriental Orthodox churches rejected the dogmatic definitions of the Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451).
Thus, despite potentially confusing nomenclature, Oriental Orthodox churches are distinct from the churches that collectively are referred to as Eastern Orthodoxy.
The Oriental Orthodox churches came to a parting of the ways with the remainder of Christianity in the 5th century. The separation resulted in part from the Oriental Orthodox churches' refusal to accept the Christological dogmas promulgated by the Council of Chalcedon, which held that Jesus Christ is in two natures — one divine and one human, although these were inseparable. To the hierarchs who would lead the Oriental Orthodox, this was tantamount to accepting Nestorianism. In response, they advocated a formula that stressed unity of the Incarnation over all other considerations, that being "one nature of God the Word Incarnate", "of/from two natures" in and after the union. The Oriental Orthodox churches are therefore often called "Monophysite" churches, although they reject this label, which is associated with Eutychian Monophysitism, preferring the term non-Chalcedonian or Miaphysite churches. Oriental Orthodox Christians anathematize the Monophysite teachings of Eutyches. They are sometimes also known as anti-Chalcedonians.
In the 20th century, a number of dialogues have occurred between the Oriental Orthodox and the Chalcedonian Orthodox which revealed that both communions now share a common Christology with differing terminology. As yet, full communion has not been restored. There have also been some agreed Christological statements issued in conjunction with the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox (Chalcedonian) family (Ecumenical Patriarchate and official representatives of other Eastern Orthodox Churches) [1].
[h=2]Oriental Orthodox Churches[/h] [TABLE="class: toccolours"]
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Orthodox Communion
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[TD="align: center"] Armenia | Alexandria | Ethiopia | Antioch | India | Eritrea [/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Armenia: Cilicia | Jerusalem | Constantinople
Alexandria: Britain | Antioch: Jacobite Indian [/TD]
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The Oriental Orthodox communion is a group of churches within Oriental Orthodoxy which are in full communion directly and indirectly with one another [2]. The communion includes:

• The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria
  • The British Orthodox Church, canonically part of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria since 1994
• The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch (sometimes called 'Jacobite')
  • Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church, a branch and integral part of the Syriac Orthodox Church with the Oriental Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch as its supreme head.
• The Church of Armenia (sometimes called the Armenian Apostolic Church)
• The Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church (sometimes called the Indian Orthodox Church)
• The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
• The Eritrean Orthodox Church

 

[Sola_Fide]

Yup, I didn't claim otherwise. The Ethiopian Church is Oriental. Nobody claims it to be a patriarchate of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches

Who cares? Why not reject this churchianity and turn to the Lord and be saved by trusting in Him ALONE for salvation? You care about being saved from God's wrath against your sin right?