props to Mitt

[Pisces]

even before this all went down, poor rand was being asked the question by mitch mcconnell.
senator rand's answer to senator mitch mcconnell was to get out and campaign for his dad...

I'm glad it was. Vice Presidents don't have a lot of real power. He's probably more influential as a Senator.

 

[mpdsapuser]

Ron wouldn't do that. He would never endorse Romney no matter who is VP is. And Rand would never take it, if he did, I would never vote for him.

Ron has hardly attacked Romney. He might not like some of his stances he's taken but he's clearly acknowledged that if he had to choose it'd likely be Romney.

 

[Moo2400]

Some people are actually having favorable feelings toward the guy who brought Massachusetts Romneycare, and by extension, brought the entire nation Obamacare?

Romney is an easy guy to like, but you only need to look to his record to find things that would repulse you. Given that record and his support for various legislation, would he have signed something like the NDAA into law? Absolutely. Would he sign SOPA and PIPA if he had the chance? You know he would. Would he attack Iran if that's what he's told he should do? You can be sure he would. Would he cut a cent from the budget? You know he wouldn't, at least nothing that would matter.

If he walks and quacks like Obama, then explain to me, how would he be any different from Obama? Don't let yourself get suckered into thinking having a guy with the big R next to his name would do a whole lot different in the White House. We're in this to fight people like Romney just as much as to fight people like Obama.

 

[mpdsapuser]

Some people are actually having favorable feelings toward the guy who brought Massachusetts Romneycare, and by extension, brought the entire nation Obamacare?

Romney is an easy guy to like, but you only need to look to his record to find things that would repulse you. Given that record and his support for various legislation, would he have signed something like the NDAA into law? Absolutely. Would he sign SOPA and PIPA if he had the chance? You know he would. Would he attack Iran if that's what he's told he should do? You can be sure he would. Would he cut a cent from the budget? You know he wouldn't, at least nothing that would matter.

If he walks and quacks like Obama, then explain to me, how would he be any different from Obama? Don't let yourself get suckered into thinking having a guy with the big R next to his name would do a whole lot different in the White House. We're in this to fight people like Romney just as much as to fight people like Obama.

I agree on all points above. But if this is the choice we have to make and if by the long shot of Rand as VP, wouldn't it be worth backing? If Ron would go third party, I'd definitely vote that way though. I'm still of the opinion this race is far from over.

 

[Moo2400]

I agree on all points above. But if this is the choice we have to make and if by the long shot of Rand as VP, wouldn't it be worth backing? If Ron would go third party, I'd definitely vote that way though. I'm still of the opinion this race is far from over.

I'm leaning toward no. The vice president has little real power, and you know Rand wouldn't be able to run things behind the scene like previous vice presidents such as Cheney did. I don't envision Romney dying or leaving office early, so I don't see a real chance where he would be able to become the president. Moreover, making Rand the vice president would be taking him out of the Senate, which means he'd actually lose power and, likely, some influence as I can imagine him being isolated and ignored. Rand Paul as Romney's running mate seems almost like a dream scenario for the establishment, as they'd remove a potential problem like him while wooing a lot of us. But it's not good for us or the liberty movement. If anything, due to the lost influence and the being forced to defend a Romney administration, I think Rand spending two terms as vice president would leave him in a worse position for a future presidential bid than if he stayed as Senator.

For this reason, I would probably go vote for Gary Johnson or whoever on the libertarian ticket (or constitutional maybe), even if Rand Paul was Romney's running mate.

 

[crh88]

I really hope Rand Paul would never consider running on the same ticket with Romney. He would permanently lose my support. As the above poster mentioned, it would actually cause him to lose power and decrease the influence of the liberty movement. Plus, if they beat Obama you would be virtually guaranteeing that we would not have Rand Paul, or any other liberty minded Republican, as a Presidential contender until 2020.

 

[Pisces]

Just remember the speeches from the Senate floor that Rand gave against the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Those speeches were shared by a lot of people and even though we lost the vote both times in the Senate, more people are aware of how terrible these laws are than they would of been if Rand weren't a Senator. (Just today, Ted Cruz, who's running for the Republican nomination for Senator from Texas, tweeted a link to Rand's speech against the NDAA. He said he was against NDAA too and asked people to listen to the speech from "his friend" Rand Paul. He must have been reacting to Rush's belated tirade about the act today.)There's no way he'd be able to speak out like that if he were the Vice President and the President supported these things.

 

[Kregisen]

I dont like Romney at all, but I don't personally hate him as much as Bachmann or Gingrich. Those two's lying personalities I cannot stand. Romney is a panderer and a slick salesman, so we obviously hate him, but compared to Bachmann or Gingrich, his personality isn't as horrendous.

I agree with Perry and Huntsman as the two most likeable in terms of personality. Huntsman sticks to his guns, and my respect grew for him when he said he wouldn't kiss Trump's ass.

Perry simply isn't attacking us much anymore. He's attacking Romney and Santorum for us, and he has complimented Ron a couple times in the latest debates. For that reason, I don't hate Perry, though he would still be a horrible presidential candidate.

 

[Moo2400]

Plus, if they beat Obama you would be virtually guaranteeing that we would not have Rand Paul, or any other liberty minded Republican, as a Presidential contender until 2020.

And bear in mind that if he did, he would have to answer for the Romney administration that he would be a part of. You know if he had to do that, he wouldn't be able to inherit the movement his father created. The more I think about it, the more I see that Rand Paul as Romney's vice president would essentially be the end of us, or at least set us way back.

 

[jersdream]

I won't vote for Mitt because he's an Obama clone, but Mitt is actual a really nice guy. I've met him in person before and seen him get heckled and trolled...he dealt with it perfect. He's a nice guy.

 

[abstrusezincate]

Just because you don't agree with someone's politics doesn't make you a bad person. There's a lot to be said for civility and decency, and if you go into this with the attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is inherently and always your enemy, no one will like you either.

I think people here sometimes fail to realize that many people vote for reasons other than policy: temperament and personality among them.

I'm not a Romney fan either, but there's no reason not to be gracious while respectfully disagreeing on matters of conviction. I hate to say it, but there are many times where the enthusiasm of some of our supporters does cost this movement.

 

[limequat]

Ron has hardly attacked Romney. He might not like some of his stances he's taken but he's clearly acknowledged that if he had to choose it'd likely be Romney.

OK, stop with that bullshit right now. If RP had the slightest inkling of what you suggest, he would have mentioned it in 2007. Instead, he said that Obama would probably be the best gun-to-your-head scenario.