problem with a drug dealer....

[Roxi]

Then I can assume your talking Abilene as opposed to Miamah.
Well given that:
1) L.E. won't give a shit.
2) Neighbors are too far away to give a shit.

Then I believe the dealer won't give a shit. Whether there is lights or not.

It seems he is willing to challenge(scare) you into co-operating.

Maybe instead of lights and signs you could just set up a camera. A low light one. Record at least three transactions.

Then call the police. If they still don't give a shit embarrass them on the local news channel or in the local newspaper.

Barring that some would say get a set of night vision goggle and something unregistered. Some, not me, mind you.

i disagree with this part because that would hurt the people who might just be buying a small bag of pot from the guy, its not their fault this guy is an asshole.

do you have a gun? you might consider intimidation tactic, walk out with it when he shows up and tell him to get the hell off your property, the engine revving could indicate hes just a young kid trying to scare you or just being an ass... if he were really going to try to hurt you i would assume (if he has any brains) that he would be as discreet as possible about it.

he could vandalize your property costing you money,

if you don't have a gun you could take a picture of him sitting there, blow it up very large, and paint the words this guy is dealing drugs with an arrow pointing to where he sits, or something to that effect.

a very large spotlight pointed right at his license plates might also work

or you could just pretend to be writing down his license plate numbers and that might scare him off too.

 

[Bruno]

ok I have a little problem.

Since Jan a drug dealer has been coming on an unfenced(used for public service parking at community ballpark - so can't be fenced) are of my property and sitting in his darkened car at all hours of the night to meet for deals. I have warned him to leave twice verbally and once chased him off. (twice if you count just now when I wasn't chasing him off, I was going down the road a little bit in my car to wash clothes and he is paranoid now)

I don't like our drug laws, but at the same time I do not support drug dealing on my property, I don't use or condone drug use, but it isn't my business UNTIL THEY come on my property.


It is getting a little concerning to me as tonight I saw him speed off then come around on the road and rev his engine a couple times in front of my house as I was stopping at my destination.

my question, WWRPFD?

Based on the situation and your feelings about it, call the police to have them deal with the issue.

Doing anything else could either endanger the safety of your/your family, your property, or result in unintended consequences such as you being arrested or a lawsuit against you.

 

[Bruno]

i disagree with this part because that would hurt the people who might just be buying a small bag of pot from the guy, its not their fault this guy is an asshole.

do you have a gun? you might consider intimidation tactic, walk out with it when he shows up and tell him to get the hell off your property, the engine revving could indicate hes just a young kid trying to scare you or just being an ass... if he were really going to try to hurt you i would assume (if he has any brains) that he would be as discreet as possible about it.

he could vandalize your property costing you money,

if you don't have a gun you could take a picture of him sitting there, blow it up very large, and paint the words this guy is dealing drugs with an arrow pointing to where he sits, or something to that effect.

a very large spotlight pointed right at his license plates might also work

or you could just pretend to be writing down his license plate numbers and that might scare him off too.

It is unwise to walk up to a drug dealer with a gun. Do not brandish a gun unless you are prepared to use it and live forever knowing that you took a life when it may not have been necessary to do so.

 

[LATruth]

Post a sign, "Video Surveillance in Use" in a few spots. He'll get the point and be paranoid.

 

[steph3n]

Post a sign, "Video Surveillance in Use" in a few spots. He'll get the point and be paranoid.

He's already paranoid, I walked out of the house to go down a couple blocks and he freaked (about 1/4 mile, to neighbors) blocks maybe not the right term, it is gravel roads, not talking a city here.

You are right, some fake video camera mounted to a poll with a cable going down and looking buried with a sign may do it, and be a lot cheaper!

Another thing I am thinking about doing is putting a large battery pack inside a certain large thing(there are trash dumpsters and cans for collection at the park around) and put a camera on that hidden if it continues.
I may be able to do some PoE as well, it would be beyond normal data transfer length but I'd only need a small amount of data and some power flowing to an outdoor webcam to get some small amount of power there.

 

[phill4paul]

i disagree with this part because that would hurt the people who might just be buying a small bag of pot from the guy, its not their fault this guy is an asshole.

They are still responsible for invading his property. If you are gonna buy drugs at least be respectfull of property rights.

do you have a gun? you might consider intimidation tactic, walk out with it when he shows up and tell him to get the hell off your property, the engine revving could indicate hes just a young kid trying to scare you or just being an ass... if he were really going to try to hurt you i would assume (if he has any brains) that he would be as discreet as possible about it.

I, for one, have never believed in "telegraphing" blows in a fight. The less they know of you the better.

he could vandalize your property costing you money,

He already is. Do you think that, maybe, there is a lawyer somewhere with the inkling of an idea to sue property owners for the transactions?

if you don't have a gun you could take a picture of him sitting there, blow it up very large, and paint the words this guy is dealing drugs with an arrow pointing to where he sits, or something to that effect.

a very large spotlight pointed right at his license plates might also work

or you could just pretend to be writing down his license plate numbers and that might scare him off too.

If he is purposely burnin' rubber then he is challenging authourity.

 

[phill4paul]

It is unwise to walk up to a drug dealer with a gun. Do not brandish a gun unless you are prepared to use it and live forever knowing that you took a life when it may not have been necessary to do so.

Quite right. Brandishing of weapons are not to be used as a deterrent. Never "telegraph" your blows or show your hand until it is time to win the match.

Or so I have heard others say.

 

[steph3n]

Quite right. Brandishing of weapons are not to be used as a deterrent. Never "telegraph" your blows or show your hand until it is time to win the match.

Or so I have heard others say.

I don't ever aim unless I plan to kill, and I have no need to do that, I just don't want him on my place! I'd prefer to just do something where he gets the message and leaves. Camera idea is probably best, or fake camera/sign.

 

[RSLudlum]

Post a sign, "Video Surveillance in Use" in a few spots. He'll get the point and be paranoid.

Not only him but those customers seeking his product. Bad business location leads to less business.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

call 911 and get it on record! file complaint at police dept and get that on record. try and record him. this seems to me if the cops wont get rid of him then you will have to. ive had to almost use a gun once to defend my property and family, and let me tell you it isnt a good feeling, but sometimes thats the only choice you have. but get this on public record that you are having a problem, that way if it comes to violence you can at least have some type of recorded justification. other than that idk. if the law wont help, then its up to you sad to say.

 

[phill4paul]

I don't ever aim unless I plan to kill, and I have no need to do that, I just don't want him on my place! I'd prefer to just do something where he gets the message and leaves. Camera idea is probably best, or fake camera/sign.

Well, you have a "one up" with him. You know his schedule. There are any numbers of ways to trace and f*ck with him.

Even though your neighbors are so far away(truly 1/4 mile, for me, is ideal) have they noticed this guy around their parts?

I wish you the best. Please keep us posted. I don't have a wife or kids to worry about, so it is easy for me to be bold. Not so for others that have dependents.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Quite right. Brandishing of weapons are not to be used as a deterrent. Never "telegraph" your blows or show your hand until it is time to win the match.

Or so I have heard others say.

This is right. If it had to come down to shooting the trespasser (ie- he has been warned, multiple times and is known to be armed, and on your property) then don't dally around and just put one in his nose before he knows you are there.

Do you have a castle doctrine?

Brandishing is never a good idea. Ever. Not on a personal level, and not on a national level (sabre rattling). Either take control/custody of the suspect and deliver to authorities; or end the threat forever. It is a binary choice. Anything in-between will get you killed every time.

This is why lethal force is, and should be, a last resort.


ETA-

Say you shoulder a weapon and warn him off at gunpoint. He's a thug, chances are he'll go "rambo up" and come back with a "posse"
Don't risk the introduction of such. If it comes to the use of deadly force, it is the last resort.



As to my suggestion: maybe print up a letter how you believe it is a tragedy that the Government has made drugs illegal forcing people like him into the black market where he is a risk to do something he truly enjoys; but because this brings danger onto your property, and therefore your family, you cannot have this activity on your property. Please desist, or you will have no choice but to call authorities or to use deadly force.

Make 10 copies, laminate them, and tack them to the trees all around where he parks.

Then give him a week to decide.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Is it posted as private property/no trespassing? Maybe he thinks he's on public property. Maybe a sign like "Private Property - Event Parking Only - No Trespassing" would help?

Maybe you could shine one of those multi-million candlepower spotlights on him every time one of his customers shows up. If your property isn't good for his business, he'll find somewhere else.

You really should consider talking to the police before doing anything else. If anything happens, and it's found that you knew about it and didn't tell the police, you could probably be charged as an accessory. Right now, you're technically an accessory to his drug dealing, because you know about it and are letting him deal on your property (we know you're not, but the police won't see it that way if they haven't been notified).

 

[phill4paul]

You really should consider talking to the police before doing anything else. If anything happens, and it's found that you knew about it and didn't tell the police, you could probably be charged as an accessory. Right now, you're technically an accessory to his drug dealing, because you know about it and are letting him deal on your property (we know you're not, but the police won't see it that way if they haven't been notified).

Quite! This is what I was trying to impart by mentioning lawyers earlier. You did it much better.
I got the impression from the OP that steph3n had already tried that route and they were uncaring.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

LOL -- it hosts overflow parking right?

Make the sign in part a political sign as to why you want to end the War on Drugs in a way that the attendees to the ball games would understand.

Make the sign in part warning the fella to get off your property.

Have a bunch printed out on TABLOID (11" by 17") and pouch laminated

Staple on trees throughout the area he parks, where his headlights will be sure to catch one.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Quite! This is what I was trying to impart by mentioning lawyers earlier. You did it much better.
I got the impression from the OP that steph3n had already tried that route and they were uncaring.

somehow I got that impression too; although I can understand the philosophical reluctance to turn in a drug dealer.

But the bottom line is that this issue is about trespassing, not drug dealing. IMHO. Try, in some way, to make sure he knows that he is on private property without a confrontation. Once he knows he is trespassing, if he continues, call the police, complain ONLY about trespassing, and describe his patterns.

Sucks to be him. he should have respected your property rights.

 

[phill4paul]

somehow I got that impression too; although I can understand the philosophical reluctance to turn in a drug dealer.

But the bottom line is that this issue is about trespassing, not drug dealing. IMHO. Try, in some way, to make sure he knows that he is on private property without a confrontation. Once he knows he is trespassing, if he continues, call the police, complain ONLY about trespassing, and describe his patterns.

Sucks to be him. he should have respected your property rights.[/QUOTE]

The bonus of course being that if a trespasser is found to have drugs and or weapons the home/property owner will be automatically vindicated.

 

[steph3n]

Thank for the ideas, will incorporate a few between event parking only, and video monitoring... Will try to report back in a month or so.

 

[phill4paul]

Thank for the ideas, will incorporate a few between event parking only, and video monitoring... Will try to report back in a month or so.

I wish you celebratorial success.

As my last advise, if you wish to keep things on the "up and up" let a family member, outside the immediate, or close friend know exactly what is going on.

Most of all be safe. Hope to hear more soon.

 

[dannno]

It sounds like he thinks he is on public property, or maybe he thinks you're just bs'ing him? I assume you've made him aware it is your property?

Maybe you can suggest a better location for him?

If you have to talk to him again I would let him know that you don't think what he is doing should be illegal, but you think trespassing is.

If he were selling bracelets in the lot I assume you would be concerned?