Preparing for the PAW (Post Apocalyptic World)

[Meatwasp]

Something very funny happened down here. My son made several early warning systems on our trail. One buzzed every time a cloud went by. We called that a cloud counter. The other he installed by digging a trap door thing that was covered with dirt. But When the sun dried it iit moved like a trap door that would fling people into nowhere. It certainly frightened a lot of people he removed that in a hurry. The other one the lizards would climb in the radio transmiter and caused it to sound like a guitar going off.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Something very funny happened down here. My son made several early warning systems on our trail. One buzzed every time a cloud went by. We called that a cloud counter. The other he installed by digging a trap door thing that was covered with dirt. But When the sun dried it iit moved like a trap door that would fling people into nowhere. It certainly frightened a lot of people he removed that in a hurry. The other one the lizards would climb in the radio transmiter and caused it to sound like a guitar going off.

ROFL! I remember when I was a kid, and I used to make my M80 tripwires, there was very often a "POP!" followed by a deer or a feral dog tearing off into the woods...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

goats will eat anything and are easy to raise also, you just need a little bit more room...

thanks, gunny for the thread

And goats do provide milk. Good call!

And, anytime! When I'm finally done with the series, I'll probably be posting it on several oter forums too, so it's helping me to get this knocked out also. ;-)

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This thread just gets better and better. It should definetely be made into a sticky.




I've heard that rabbits are a very easy farmable animal to work with, and they reproduce like rabbits so they're productive.

I agree with this -- rabbits are a lot easier to raise, and provide a very renewable food source.

Additionally, you can start putting out feed corn for deer. I don't necessarily agree with using feed corn to lure deer for ordinary hunting, but by making your back yard a haven for deer now, then in the PAW after the SHTF, all bts are off and survival becomes the rule of the day.

And thanks for the kind word!

 

[Hawk45]

Another plus for domestic rabbits is the fact they are the only red meat with 0 chloresterol (or however it is spelled). LOL

No matter what you eat the human body DOES need protein to be able to do hard work. And 'survival' is hard work!

Main thing is that the folks that prepare NOW can do it in some sort of comfort we are used to. The folks that do not will not fare that well, if they survive at all.

 

[TruckinMike]

Noise maker:

1. Balloon
2. Rocket igniters
3. Oxygen/acetylene rig
4. Trip wire, battery, and relay

Fill the balloon with 1/3 Acetylene and 2/3 oxygen. Tape rocket igniter to Balloon, then set trip wire, relay and battery.

When tripped, expect to feel the concussion at over 50 feet away!

TMike

Note: Use a mylar balloon to keep gas from escaping over time.
Note#2: These are great for getting rid of grackles, and a lot cheaper than buying a propane grackle cannon.

 

[Ozwest]

Sorry, but I haven't read this thread.

But...

PAW = Post Apocalyptic World Good thing I don't have to spell or say Apocalyptic again.

Now I can just say PAW, and everyone will know who I am.

 

[Ozwest]

I agree with this -- rabbits are a lot easier to raise, and provide a very renewable food source.

Additionally, you can start putting out feed corn for deer. I don't necessarily agree with using feed corn to lure deer for ordinary hunting, but by making your back yard a haven for deer now, then in the PAW after the SHTF, all bts are off and survival becomes the rule of the day.

And thanks for the kind word!

Let your rabbits loose, and you'll soon be feeding the nation.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Thats a hard call. Most EMTs use modern equipment like defibrilators, oxygen, nitroglycerin, neck braces, IV lines, etc. They are there to stabilize a person and get them to an emergency room for surgery or more advanced analysis. Basic First Aid, CPR is for until the EMTs arrive.

It definitly would help to take such a course, as well as read about home remedies. Good to know basics for the start, simple little things like giving someone an asprin during a heart attack could save thier life. Id recommend taking a day CPR/First Aid class to give you an idea before taking an EMT program.

I noticed that no one mentioned us in the medical links...

Remote, Austere, Wilderness & Third World Medicine Forum:

http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/index.php

The site is more useful if you register.


We, ummm... wrote a book that you might be interested in:

Survival and Austere Medicine, 2nd edition. You can download it here for free, or you can buy a copy at cost (we don't make anything) from Cafe Press:

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/downloads/AM Final 2.pdf

Yes, I'm one of the authors. We're trying to get a third edition out the door, with a lot more hands on procedures and how to, but it's been really slow going...

Austere medicine is a lot different than what you learn in EMT school.
IV solutions are most often used to stabilize someone on the way to surgery, if there is no surgery to go to, they become mostly irrelevant for this purpose.
They can also be used to establish a life line - if you have IV drugs and know how to use them.
They are also used to feed patients that can't eat.
You can make your own IV solutions.
BP cuffs and C-Collars are over rated.
You don't need a X-Ray machine to tell if someones leg is broken or fractured, a tunning fork and a stethoscope work fine.
You can make many medicines, including insulin.
Disposable supplies often aren't, but supplies designed to be reused are better.
Expiration dates, with few exceptions, are artificial and the real shelf life of drugs is much longer. A lot depends on storage conditions, however.
etc.

-n

 

[the_british_are_coming]

Your posts today are pretty abrasive.

The OP shoots .556 and .308. Relative to those chamberings, a .22 is a whisper. Hell, relative to my .45, a .22 is a whisper.

Outdoor shooting a .22... crack crack

Outdoor shooting a .308 BOOM BOON

big difference.

Relative to stepping on a stick, a .22 is FREAKING LOUD!!!! didn't say "relative" to anything!!!!! just grading it on it's own measures.


in the woods, or in PAW, boom is boom, no matter how loud.

BOTH ARE IDENTIFYING. Anyone who says different is only posting on a break from their video gaming.


ETA: Kalifornia... if i'm NOT abrasive... you know my account has been hacked.

 

[the_british_are_coming]

When you are in the PAW hunting rabbit for survival, you aren't exactly evading NVA in the bush.

Depending on the model .22 you are shooting (a Ruger 10/22 is a lot louder than a Marlin .22, for instance) the sound of a .22 can get utterly lost in "woods noises" at around 150 to 200 yards in dense forest.

And as to choosing a .22 over a 9mm, if you shoot a rabbit with a 9mm there won't be that much of it left to eat, whereas with a .22 there won't really be a lot of damage at all. Not to mention, a .22 with a scope can hit a rabbit in the head at 75 yards with no problem, but a 9mm pistol will have to be within 25 yards or less to guarantee a body hit.

And yes, a 9mm is a LOT louder than a .22 LR -- especially a Marlin .22

Hey Bud. up until your post, NOBODY was talking about hunting. Just PAW existence.

If you want to change rules, that's fine, but you don't get to just pull sh!t into any straw-man argument you feel like. nope, doesn't work that way.


Oh, and btw, what exactly makes a 24 inch Marlin quieter than any other 24 inch .22 bolt-action rifle? i would love to know that.

 

[Dr.3D]

Long term food storage.

Post Apocalyptic World.
There will be no "Fed"," Poaching", or PETA.
Therefor YOU get the "cake".

Thanks pcosmar, I guess he didn't read the PAW part of the post.

Anyway...
Here is a little bit about putting up food for long term storage.

Long term food storage part 1
Long term food storage part 2
Long term food storage part 3
How to seal Mylar bags with a clothes iron

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Hey Bud. up until your post, NOBODY was talking about hunting. Just PAW existence.

If you want to change rules, that's fine, but you don't get to just pull sh!t into any straw-man argument you feel like. nope, doesn't work that way.

So what are you saying, that after society completely breaks down, human beings will no longer need to eat?

Oh, and btw, what exactly makes a 24 inch Marlin quieter than any other 24 inch .22 bolt-action rifle? i would love to know that.

Well, if you had ever actually fired them, then the difference would be obvious. And a Marlin Glenfield Model 60 is decidedly not a bolt action.

I for one have personally been on a firing line with several different models of .22 LR rifles, and without fail, the Marlins produce half or less the amount of noise.

You hear POP POP pff pff POP pff POP pff pff POP POP, and with every 'POP' the 10/22s recoil, but with every 'pff' the Marlins recoil.

You simply saying 'it can't be so' doesn't change the fact of reality, no matter how hard you might want it to be.

By the way, I have seen you posting in several threads, and I am just curious -- why do you always pick the most active, useful, and generous contributors to RPF and label them 'plants'?

Also, I notice in your sig that you are proud of 'killing threads,' is it really an openly stated goal of yours to kill off any potentially useful threads within the Ron Paul Forums?

And, why are you always pitching a fit about how people who are experts in their respective fields, must be dead wrong when discussing any of the things they know the most about? I get the impression that you would pitch a fit against an expert and prominent surgeon who is properly explaining an appendectomy, and wail on about how the surgeon must be an idiot.

Do you really think that people around here give you any credence? You must know that Ron People are, by and large, critical thinkers, and far more capable than the average sheep of analyzing contributors on their own merits. The fact is that in your 70 some-odd strong posting history, you have displayed zero merit, which is kind of a death-knell amongst critical thinkers such as we find on RPF.

Or, when everybody in a thread replies to you to tell you how much of an idiot you are, is that what you consider to be 'killing a thread?'

The bottom line is, pretty much everything you post is divorced from reality, and comes purely from the realm of your own fantasies. The problem is, that Ron Paul people tend to be very critical thinkers, and cannot be influenced in the way that sheeple are. Simply insinuating that someone is a moron doesn't work on us the way it works on McCain voters or Obama voters. Too bad for you, huh?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I noticed that no one mentioned us in the medical links...

Remote, Austere, Wilderness & Third World Medicine Forum:

http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/index.php

The site is more useful if you register.


We, ummm... wrote a book that you might be interested in:

Survival and Austere Medicine, 2nd edition. You can download it here for free, or you can buy a copy at cost (we don't make anything) from Cafe Press:

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/downloads/AM Final 2.pdf

Yes, I'm one of the authors. We're trying to get a third edition out the door, with a lot more hands on procedures and how to, but it's been really slow going...

Austere medicine is a lot different than what you learn in EMT school.
IV solutions are most often used to stabilize someone on the way to surgery, if there is no surgery to go to, they become mostly irrelevant for this purpose.
They can also be used to establish a life line - if you have IV drugs and know how to use them.
They are also used to feed patients that can't eat.
You can make your own IV solutions.
BP cuffs and C-Collars are over rated.
You don't need a X-Ray machine to tell if someones leg is broken or fractured, a tunning fork and a stethoscope work fine.
You can make many medicines, including insulin.
Disposable supplies often aren't, but supplies designed to be reused are better.
Expiration dates, with few exceptions, are artificial and the real shelf life of drugs is much longer. A lot depends on storage conditions, however.
etc.

-n

Hey, I really appreciate it. Those are great links, and slam full of extremely useful information. I've looked at them, and reccommend them for everyone concerned about medicine in the PAW.

 

[Perry]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm not planning on sticking around post- Apocalypse.

 

[Dr.3D]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm not planning on sticking around post- Apocalypse.

Got a space ship?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Post Apocalyptic World.
There will be no "Fed"," Poaching", or PETA.
Therefor YOU get the "cake".

Ehh, I wouldn't worry too much about this 'british' guy. It is blatantly obvious from a review of his posting history that he is opposed to Ron Paul having any kind of influence on the real world, and since RP people tend to actualy pay attention to such things (unlike the sheeple in the rest of the world) then nobody here will take him seriously. He is only here to create division amongst us and try to sow chaos within the RP Forums. If these were John McCain Forums, then people might stand back and cheer him like it was WWF or some such, breaking chairs over peoples heads. But the folks on here really don't go in for cheering the dirtiest fighter etc.

Folks on RPF want facts and truth, not rhetoric and mindless b*tching. I doubt you have to worry about him influencing anybodies opinion against you, no matter how many threads he follows you around to whine about you. In fact, someoneone so obviously anti-Paul as he is, following you around from thread to thread to try and discredit you, probably BOOSTS your credibility on RPF, to tell you the truth!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm not planning on sticking around post- Apocalypse.

Got a space ship?

Got room for a few more?

 

[Kalifornia]

Got room for a few more?

Hell, Ill leave NOW! Why wait around for PAW to blaze a new frontier?

 

[Perry]

Got a space ship?

I have better than a spaceship.