Calm down, he will win. Have faith. There is too much grass roots support for some random question "poll" to decide our future. We decide it, and we will be there to extend our future, our life, our right to existence, our right to FREEDOM. God has given us that right, and no one shall take it away. Ron Paul will win in 2012 hands down. Iowa is just a skip in the pond. 20/19/18, we are on top! Enjoy!
PPP Poll (1/1/12): Paul 20%, Romney 19%, Santorum 18%
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Same here. Arkham City.
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Hopefully you are phoning from home first thing and all day tomorrow: http://phone.ronpaul2012.com
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His support is beyond weak. In fact it's just vapor.
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Actually, the polls simply don't matter any more than the BCS poll matters in football. They have to play the game. DMR poll was off by 6% on Obama in Iowa in 2008. That's outside their MOE. They also picked Hillary to beat Edwards, but she ended up in third place. We simply don't know who is going to win Iowa and these polls are simply reinforcing our ignorance.
Furthermore, we also don't know how the outcome, whatever it turns out to be, will influence New Hampshire and South Carolina. We do know that the Paul campaign is the best organized. We just don't know how many votes that will be worth.
Nor do the pundits know what they are talking about. Some say that a low turnout will help Paul because his supporters are more dedicated. Others argue that Paul needs a high turnout because that will mean lots of independents and first-time voters (mostly young people) will have turned out.
At this point,speculation is pretty pointless. We just have to wait and see.
Furthermore, we also don't know how the outcome, whatever it turns out to be, will influence New Hampshire and South Carolina. We do know that the Paul campaign is the best organized. We just don't know how many votes that will be worth.
Nor do the pundits know what they are talking about. Some say that a low turnout will help Paul because his supporters are more dedicated. Others argue that Paul needs a high turnout because that will mean lots of independents and first-time voters (mostly young people) will have turned out.
At this point,speculation is pretty pointless. We just have to wait and see.
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The whole thing is just turnout. They need the young people to turn out.
But one thing lost in this is people are persuaded at caucuses sometimes. Get up there, explain about NDAA, the powers this Congress is giving to Obama, and tell them who is standing against it. We know facts they don't which is why people make bad decisions.
But one thing lost in this is people are persuaded at caucuses sometimes. Get up there, explain about NDAA, the powers this Congress is giving to Obama, and tell them who is standing against it. We know facts they don't which is why people make bad decisions.
You have to take undecideds into account (they went from 8% to 5% not counting rounding error), and there are a lot of ways to distribute the 8 point Santorum increase from the other candidates and undecideds. For example, you could have Santorum only take 1% from Paul, 1% from Romney, 3% from Bachmann, and 3% from Undecideds. That would then have Paul's 3% remaining drop go to Roemer and Gingrich.
I didn't look at the poll's detailed breakdown however.
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This is what we're up against, but at they'll be the least motivated hopefully it'll swing it our way.
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The media attacked ron paul as racist so the peoples go to the guy who advocates racist policies. Makes sense.
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Yeah. It's really a two man race with a bunch of other people siphoning off support from the two frontrunners (Romney and Paul).
More I think of it we'll definitely win iowa unless something majorly fucked up happens.
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Seems like we're all ready to dismiss Santorum. Let's wait for the actual voting, hope our Iowa support is as enthusiastic as we think it is, and then move on to the next state. If Santorum does well in Iowa, good for him. (But bad for the US.) He worked hard in Iowa. Dismissing his success just because we disagree with him on policy would be akin to all those "If Paul wins, then Iowa means nothing" comments.
Bachmann is dumber than Santorum.
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Well, just read the whole thread, as i wasn't around when it came out.
Meh...seems Ron is losing support from pretty much every demographic according to the tabs, and the 7% from the younger crowd really is disappointing to see. A -4 drop is really something that he couldn't afford to happen right now. Just can't even find a word to describe this whole 'santorum surge' bs, but it's obvious what happened here. The GOP (and mostly the IA GOP itself) along with the MSM have done all they can to stop Ron from winning IA. Hell, party chairs and their own governor made tons of statements alluding to how its discrediting the state and perverting the process. Seems to me, too many of the people there don't want to be looked upon as black sheep, based on those statements, and so in their 'patriotism' toward their 'beloved' state of IA, jumped ship and sold out to the neocon turds instead.
Rick is being used (and probably payed as well, who the f knows) to stay in the race, since he was the last one who was untouched and vetted, and you would be kidding yourself if you think they didnt plan this. They let the guy sit there at the bottom of the heap, then propped him up just at the right time in order to get the lemmings to run over to his side. The guy isn't going anywhere at all (and even he knows that) just like Huntsman wont be in NH, but again, they are being told to stay in to cut Ron down. They will do, and HAVE DONE, all that it takes to stop a first place Paul showing.
The newsletters, the endless emphatical 'dangerous comments', more truther accusations/questions, and the Sorenson issue (which i think hurt, more than helped) is the cause for this decline. It's really too bad, because he was on a great roll in early Dec, until the media decided to control the election again (as they always do) and vet the newsletter crap. Since that time, he went up a touch, then stalled out, and now, is on a downhill slide. The numbers don't lie, so yea, it obviously worked.
Rick didnt take all his support from Ron, he took a sizeable porition of Bachmann and a touch from Romney, but Ron is down in multiple demographics, and Rick ballooned in those same ones, so yea, people can deny it if they like, fact is though, Rick definitely snatched some of Ron's support as well, and that 7% decrease among 18-29 is proof of that.
I still just can't believe that in just a week, Santorum has factored in this much. It's almost surreal, and i can't even wrap my mind around it. I just don't even know how to describe it. Yea, sure, msm is responsible and it's their job to do everything in their power to cut Ron down and stop his momentum, but it amazes me people are this clueless and blind to just instantly run to another candidate all because 'they say so' or because they use their perfected system of eugenics to sway people through 'visuals' and 'wording'.
I guess i understand now, why most Euros call us 'stupid amercians'. Yea, most of us here aren't, but sadly, too many of the rest are...
...and that said, if too many of those show up tomorrow on caucus night, it looks like Ron won't be winning.
I agree with the rest on the turnout issue, that is pretty much what it's all about right now. Since he is losing the younger vote, if they decide to stay home because Battlefield 3 and watching NetFlix movies are more important, then our goose is surely cooked.
It's just really depressing, all this work and toiling for months, to just have some phony, pandering, war loving, socialist suck-up possibly steal the whole thing on us...and he would do so without being in first in a single f'ing poll all year. Unbelievable. But again, this all blatantly shows that the system runs the elections 'without running it'.
Really, am i dreaming or what?
Meh...seems Ron is losing support from pretty much every demographic according to the tabs, and the 7% from the younger crowd really is disappointing to see. A -4 drop is really something that he couldn't afford to happen right now. Just can't even find a word to describe this whole 'santorum surge' bs, but it's obvious what happened here. The GOP (and mostly the IA GOP itself) along with the MSM have done all they can to stop Ron from winning IA. Hell, party chairs and their own governor made tons of statements alluding to how its discrediting the state and perverting the process. Seems to me, too many of the people there don't want to be looked upon as black sheep, based on those statements, and so in their 'patriotism' toward their 'beloved' state of IA, jumped ship and sold out to the neocon turds instead.
Rick is being used (and probably payed as well, who the f knows) to stay in the race, since he was the last one who was untouched and vetted, and you would be kidding yourself if you think they didnt plan this. They let the guy sit there at the bottom of the heap, then propped him up just at the right time in order to get the lemmings to run over to his side. The guy isn't going anywhere at all (and even he knows that) just like Huntsman wont be in NH, but again, they are being told to stay in to cut Ron down. They will do, and HAVE DONE, all that it takes to stop a first place Paul showing.
The newsletters, the endless emphatical 'dangerous comments', more truther accusations/questions, and the Sorenson issue (which i think hurt, more than helped) is the cause for this decline. It's really too bad, because he was on a great roll in early Dec, until the media decided to control the election again (as they always do) and vet the newsletter crap. Since that time, he went up a touch, then stalled out, and now, is on a downhill slide. The numbers don't lie, so yea, it obviously worked.
Rick didnt take all his support from Ron, he took a sizeable porition of Bachmann and a touch from Romney, but Ron is down in multiple demographics, and Rick ballooned in those same ones, so yea, people can deny it if they like, fact is though, Rick definitely snatched some of Ron's support as well, and that 7% decrease among 18-29 is proof of that.
I still just can't believe that in just a week, Santorum has factored in this much. It's almost surreal, and i can't even wrap my mind around it. I just don't even know how to describe it. Yea, sure, msm is responsible and it's their job to do everything in their power to cut Ron down and stop his momentum, but it amazes me people are this clueless and blind to just instantly run to another candidate all because 'they say so' or because they use their perfected system of eugenics to sway people through 'visuals' and 'wording'.
I guess i understand now, why most Euros call us 'stupid amercians'. Yea, most of us here aren't, but sadly, too many of the rest are...
...and that said, if too many of those show up tomorrow on caucus night, it looks like Ron won't be winning.
I agree with the rest on the turnout issue, that is pretty much what it's all about right now. Since he is losing the younger vote, if they decide to stay home because Battlefield 3 and watching NetFlix movies are more important, then our goose is surely cooked.
It's just really depressing, all this work and toiling for months, to just have some phony, pandering, war loving, socialist suck-up possibly steal the whole thing on us...and he would do so without being in first in a single f'ing poll all year. Unbelievable. But again, this all blatantly shows that the system runs the elections 'without running it'.
Really, am i dreaming or what?
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Too close for comfort. Santorum's rise is proof that some of the MSM's arrogance is founded. They DO have an influence on a significant level of the population's vote. They fabricated his rise out of thin air. But this will make the victory all the sweeter if we win 
sounds about right
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Yea, well. Ive been doing all i can for months (converting people, pfh, donated several times), and it's just depressing to see what the establishment is doing to hijack it all. If the media and the gop insiders could just mind their own damn business, it is obvious who would be running away with this right now.
And yea, i know he is still in it, i just didnt really expect him to drop like that and have a decent portion of his most popular base haul ass like this. A win is a win, yea, but most here will agree that a win by 8-10% is what we needed to make a bold statement. Winning by 1-2%, while nice, is going to just add to even more discrediting, and actually help Romney more. Theyll all be like 'Paul barely edges Romney! Romney hot, heading into NH!!' This is what was trying to be avoided.
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