POTUS to pursue an aggressive executive crackdown on immigration

[Swordsmyth]

They are easy to spot. All you have to do is mention Private Property Rights and NAP and they start screaming Anarchist. Take you, for instance.

LOL

All you have to do is look for those who support open borders and anarchy that will ensure the loss of liberty.

 

[PAF]

The 4thA doesn't give foreigners a right to come here without permission or to overstay their visit.

I don't know of anybody who supports that.

He gets an easy pass.

The wall is not my preferred solution but using Eminent Domain to build a wall on the border to stop the invasion is the best most defensible use of Eminent Domain that could be imagined and it is much better than allowing the invasion to continue and destroy liberty completely.

No buts. I stand on principle and will scream End Incentives while defending Private Property til the day I croak.

Government has some legitimate functions and it needs to hire enough people to positions that perform them.

Not in my life-long experience. I have always found government to always get in the way and muck things totally up. I handle thing on my own and am very successful.

I know of nobody who supports minimum wage laws and I know of nothing Trump has done to support them.

Good intentions lead to bad consequences. By funneling folks into those entry points, mandating them to obtain documentation, threating lawsuits to businesses which employ undocumented people who do not pay their "fare share" of taxes, just what do think all of those initiatives do? Lead to liberty/freedom LOL?

You can find fools who support any politician, we had our share of fools who supported Ron.

Yep I'm certain I met you down at Tampa convention.

 

[ATruepatriot]

True dat, no dispute.

But there are also "republicans" who follow fascist/leftist/anti-liberty agendas as long as politicians stick an "R" after their name.

Take Trump-humpers, for instance:

His followers will abandon the 4th Amendment (document/register people so that they become eligible), 2nd Amendment (raise age to 21 and ban bump stocks), fully support stealing other peoples property via government Eminent Domain to build a government structure and hire more government employees, and abandon Free Market principles to SUPPORT Minimum Wage jobs because they believe everybody should pay their "fair share" of taxes to the Fed and want to report companies which choose to engage in Private Contract Rights.

I know a lot of life-long registered republicans who NEVER supported any of those positions under Obama and used to scream bloody murder when he was in office, but now that Trump is president they will follow him to hell and back.

May I drop into this to make an important point? You are absolutely right, there are a large number of hardline trump lovers and Ooh Rah military out there. But trust me... you are NOT going to find them here on RP forums, they HATE Ron Paul. Like myself there are those here who are just scared to death at the thought of the coming communism from the left. Trump has just bought us some valuable time to regroup. Hopefully you are wise enough to know we do not want socialism/communism. And I know you might not believe this, but I also hang in Conservative boards and the antiwar sentiment is now 9 out of 10 who are now antiwar and not any happier with what is happening than we are. As for Immigration? Legal good, illegal bad is the sentiment among conservatives. And they are indeed two different issues to be dealt with separately even though the left will tell you they are the same. They are not...

 

[PAF]

LOL

All you have to do is look for those who support open borders and anarchy that will ensure the loss of liberty.

So by me traveling, wasting my gas having to drive all over the place looking for an entry/exit point, stopped to show my papers, risk getting searched if they are "suspicious", or if they find the $10,000 in cash I brought with me that I saved all my life only to be confiscated - that increases my liberty?

I get it. You think germany under hitler is the way to go to maximize liberty/freedom.

LOL

 

[Swordsmyth]

Foreigners do need our permission to come here.

He gets an easy pass.

No he doesn't.

No buts. I stand on principle and will scream End Incentives while defending Private Property til the day I croak.

Life is full of buts and your position would ensure that liberty was smothered under a flood of communists and incentives would only increase.

Not in my life-long experience. I have always found government to always get in the way and muck things totally up. I handle thing on my own and am very successful.

You have a limited experience and have always benefited from the existence of government that has done a minimal job at performing its legitimate functions.

Good intentions lead to bad consequences. By funneling folks into those entry points, mandating them to obtain documentation, threating lawsuits to businesses which employ undocumented people who do not pay their "fare share" of taxes, just what do think all of those initiatives do? Lead to liberty/freedom LOL?

It leads to more liberty and freedom than letting an unlimited number of communists invade.

Yep I'm certain I met you down at Tampa convention.

I've never been there.

 

[PAF]

May I drop into this to make an important point? You are absolutely right, there are a large number of hardline trump lovers and Ooh Rah military out there. But trust me... you are NOT going to find them here on RP forums, they HATE Ron Paul. Like myself there are those here who are just scared to death at the thought of the coming communism from the left. Trump has just bought us some valuable time to regroup. Hopefully you are wise enough to know we do not want socialism/communism. And I know you might not believe this, but I also hang in Conservative boards and the antiwar sentiment is now 9 out of 10 who are now antiwar and not any happier with what is happening than we are. As for Immigration? Legal good, illegal bad is the sentiment among conservatives. And they are indeed two different issues to be dealt with separately even though the left will tell you they are the same. They are not...

"Illegal" is a term construct created by corrupt government that need to know who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.

I can't help what conservatives believe. Perhaps they should look into NAP and Contract and Property Rights. That would solve most every problem. But just because they don't doesn't mean that I am going to lower my own standards or sacrifice my own liberty/freedom ;-)

 

[Swordsmyth]

So by me traveling, wasting my gas having to drive all over the place looking for an entry/exit point, stopped to show my papers, risk getting searched if they are "suspicious", or if they find the $10,000 in cash I brought with me that I saved all my life only to be confiscated - that increases my liberty?

I get it. You think germany under hitler is the way to go to maximize liberty/freedom.

LOL

The USSR under Stalin or China under Mao is what we will get if you open borders simpletons get your way, that will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

 

[Swordsmyth]

"Illegal" is a term construct created by corrupt government that need to know who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.

Bunk, illegals are those who violate our rules and limits and invade, we have a right to limit who can come here in order to prevent being overrun by communists who will be much more interested in who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.

I can't help what conservatives believe. Perhaps they should look into NAP and Contract and Property Rights. That would solve most every problem. But just because they don't doesn't mean that I am going to lower my own standards or sacrifice my own liberty/freedom ;-)

Ignoring reality is not upholding standards nor will it preserve your freedom/liberty.

 

[PAF]

Foreigners do need our permission to come here.

No, they need YOUR permission.

I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.

Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)

 

[ATruepatriot]

No, they need YOUR permission.

I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.

Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)

If you think you are not already paying for them indirectly think again.

 

[PAF]

The USSR under Stalin or China under Mao is what we will get if you open borders simpletons get your way, that will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, they need YOUR permission.

OUR permission, as in Americans.

I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.

Your willful ignorance will not protect you from the communism they will impose.

Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)

You support the communist invaders.

 

[PAF]

If you think you are not already paying for them indirectly think again.

Oh, I know I am paying for them, have been most of my life. I also pay "legal" multi-generational Section 8 Americans a monthly check, more if they are able to hook up with another bum just to pop out another. But at least now my travel isn't overly restricted and don't have Bio-ID YET.

 

[ATruepatriot]

No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.

I agree, shutting off the incentives IS the cure. But in reality this is NEVER going to happen. Not until there is a total violent reset and in which case we will be in the same shape they are in at that point. The world you are wanting is never going to happen, it' a fantasy pipedream. In the meantime...

 

[Swordsmyth]

No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

That isn't what is happening.

Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.

Too many will come anyway because our economy is better than their communism and it would be even better if we cut off welfare.
We also have more support for securing the border than we have for cutting off welfare.
And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Oh, I know I am paying for them, have been most of my life. I also pay "legal" multi-generational Section 8 Americans a monthly check, more if they are able to hook up with another bum just to pop out another. But at least now my travel isn't overly restricted and don't have Bio-ID YET.

If we get socialism you WILL for sure. And even worse...

 

[PAF]

That isn't what is happening.


Too many will come anyway because our economy is better than their communism and it would be even better if we cut off welfare.
We also have more support for securing the border than we have for cutting off welfare.
And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.

This is exactly what is happening, which is why after the lowest immigration numbers in decades have SKY-ROCKETED under trump:

 

[ATruepatriot]

And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.

NATIVES? You mean the FIRST INVADERS?

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is exactly what is happening, which is why after the lowest immigration numbers in decades have SKY-ROCKETED under trump:


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No it isn't what is happening and the reason the invasion has accelerated is because the globalists panicked when Trump won and put the peddle to the metal advertising for them to come here and organizing them to come here while blocking as many of Trump's attempts to secure the border as possible.

 

[Swordsmyth]

NATIVES? You mean the FIRST INVADERS?

LOL