POTUS to pursue an aggressive executive crackdown on immigration

[ATruepatriot]

Okay but my point is as an employer we had to verify the person was legal to work. There was a fine to the employer. We could not just hire illegal immigrants.

Yep, absolutely. And legally it is still in effect as I understand it. So it is apparently not being enforced or only those who have a stolen SS number are getting hired above the table, and most are being hired under the table. Great for our national debt right?

 

[PAF]

Yep, absolutely. And legally it is still in effect as I understand it. So it is apparently not being enforced or only those who have a stolen SS number are getting hired above the table, and most are being hired under the table. Great for our national debt right?

SCREW the national debt. Employers should be able to hire whoever they want for whatever wage contractually negotiated.

SS numbers should not be used for anything other than getting back money that was stolen from us. Once that money is given back, eliminate SS and invest voluntarily and privately.

National debt... created by lobbyists and corrupt politicians who line their own pockets... Ron is right, default on the loans and start all over.

I thought this was a liberty site. And here some are talking about how wrong it is to hire under the table and people not paying their “fair share” to help pay corrupt politicians and lobbyist debt for them.

 

[timosman]

Employers should be able to hire whoever they want for whatever wage contractually negotiated.

Yes, of course. Fucking millions of people is not a big deal if the chosen few can make a bunch of shekels.

 

[ATruepatriot]

SCREW the national debt. Employers should be able to hire whoever they want for whatever wage contractually negotiated.

SS numbers should not be used for anything other than getting back money that was stolen from us. Once that money is given back, eliminate SS and invest voluntarily and privately.

National debt... created by lobbyists and corrupt politicians who line their own pockets... Ron is right, default on the loans and start all over.

I thought this was a liberty site. And here some are talking about how wrong it is to hire under the table and people not paying their “fair share” to help pay corrupt politicians and lobbyist debt for them.

You don't understand, a debt is a debt and it WILL have to be paid at some point, it just can't be ignored, this has never been allowed in history. The global banksters are never going to allow it, and THEY are who recognize no boundaries or national sovereignty. We will never be a free nation until that debt is paid. And it will be our grandchildren and great grandchildren who will have to pay it. They own us... They are who truly run every government in the world using debt as a leash. These global finance institutions are the true PTB and they are powerful beyond belief. They just eliminate anyone and everyone who stands in their way. The illuminate is real, and these families control the world using debt and hegelian dialect to control and profit. And they blatantly do it in front of our faces everyday. To understand how powerful they truly are all one has to do is read a Bilderberg meeting attendance roster, these are the representatives for these global powers. These are the true NWO much bigger than even our own government and President. They are the shadow government Ron Paul spoke of.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump just did something about that:

President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly reactivated a computer check that warns employers when their new employees are likely to be illegal immigrants.

Democrats, however, are protesting the new push to protect American families from illegal immigrants in the nation’s job market.
The so-called “no-match” letter warns employers that their employees’ claimed Social Security Numbers are suspect

And even then, note that it is just a “warning”, sent by snail mail.

Edit: and does “no match” simply mean that the SSN was never issued before in the past?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't remember for sure but I owned a company during the 1990's until 2004. I think we had to fill out a form I9? with every new hire.

Okay but my point is as an employer we had to verify the person was legal to work. There was a fine to the employer. We could not just hire illegal immigrants.

Yep, absolutely. And legally it is still in effect as I understand it. So it is apparently not being enforced or only those who have a stolen SS number are getting hired above the table, and most are being hired under the table. Great for our national debt right?

You are required to have a form I9 for every employee. That is the verification. You store it where you want. It is not processed or checked. Now there is a provision for an inspection, for which you will get at least 3 days written notice that it is going to occur, and you need to bring in your I9s. That rarely, if ever occurs.

When might a fake be determined? When payroll is trying to pay two different employees with the exact same SSN. Government doesn’t care, it is the payroll people who don’t like duplicate SSNs in their system.

Retain and Store Form I-9
Employers must have a Form I-9,Employment Eligibility Verification, for every person on their payroll who is required to complete Form I-9. All of these forms must be retained for a certain period of time.

The following webpages will instruct you on how long to keep Forms I-9, how to store them and what to do if the government asks to inspect your forms.

Retaining Form I-9

Storing Form I-9

Inspection
...
https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/retain-and-store-form-i-9

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...
Employers should be able to hire whoever they want for whatever wage contractually negotiated.
...

From a libertarian philosophical point of view, people should be able to drive as fast as they want, with a beer in their hand and a cold 6 pack within reach, as long as they do not cause an accident. But for some reason, that point is not argued quite so adamantly anywhere.

 

[ATruepatriot]

You are required to have a form I9 for every employee. That is the verification. You store it where you want. It is not processed or checked. Now there is a provision for an inspection, for which you will get at least 3 days written notice that it is going to occur, and you need to bring in your I9s. That rarely, if ever occurs.

When might a fake be determined? When payroll is trying to pay two different employees with the exact same SSN. Government doesn’t care, it is the payroll people who don’t like duplicate SSNs in their system.

Thank you... And believe it or not, a couple times I have actually seen duplicate SS# benefit the real citizen and true holder of that SS# because his SS account is receiving double payments into it from two different sources.

 

[Danke]

You are required to have a form I9 for every employee. That is the verification. You store it where you want. It is not processed or checked. Now there is a provision for an inspection, for which you will get at least 3 days written notice that it is going to occur, and you need to bring in your I9s. That rarely, if ever occurs.

When might a fake be determined? When payroll is trying to pay two different employees with the exact same SSN. Government doesn’t care, it is the payroll people who don’t like duplicate SSNs in their system.

One doesn't need to be an "employee". Can file a 1099 if you pay someone over $600, but you can leave the SSN blank if they don't give you one.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Thank you... And believe it or not, a couple times I have actually seen duplicate SS# benefit the real citizen and true holder of that SS# because his SS account is receiving double payments into it from two different sources.

And transcription errors can occur too. Someone writes down or types in the wrong number, and it doesn’t get discovered for a long time. Sometimes years, sometimes never. Government doesn’t mind collecting money from two people simultaneously under the same SSN.

 

[ATruepatriot]

One doesn't need to be an "employee". Can file a 1099 if you pay someone over $600, but you can leave the SSN blank if they don't give you one.

Pretty sure it can't be used as a write off unless it has a SS or TIN on it though? Well if you are audited of course.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

One doesn't need to be an "employee". Can file a 1099 if you pay someone over $600, but you can leave the SSN blank if they don't give you one.

Another work around.

 

[ATruepatriot]

And transcription errors can occur too. Someone writes down or types in the wrong number, and it doesn’t get discovered for a long time. Sometimes years, sometimes never. Government doesn’t mind collecting money from two people simultaneously under the same SSN.

If course they don't, not their problem.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Edit: and does “no match” simply mean that the SSN was never issued before in the past?

I think it means it doesn't match the name it is being used with.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Employers should be able to hire whoever they want for whatever wage contractually negotiated.

But they should only have people available who are here legally.

You advocate for getting money back before ending SS, I advocate for getting rid of illegals and securing the border while it is still around too.


If an unlimited number of foreigners (especially communists) are allowed to come here liberty will be snuffed out forever and employers who knowingly hire illegals are collaborating with its destruction.

 

[PAF]

But they should only have people available who are here legally.

You advocate for getting money back before ending SS, I advocate for getting rid of illegals and securing the border while it is still around too.

If an unlimited number of foreigners (especially communists) are allowed to come here liberty will be snuffed out forever and employers who knowingly hire illegals are collaborating with its destruction.

Meantime, you support snuffing out private contract rights, private property rights, and endorse mandated minimum wage, reporting companies who hire “undocumented” workers, thus in turn supplying more frn’s to the FedGov by way of more folks paying Fed taxes. Got it.

I can see why you are so gung-ho about eliminating “illegals”.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Meantime, you support snuffing out private contract rights, private property rights, and endorse mandated minimum wage, reporting companies who hire “undocumented” workers, thus in turn supplying more frn’s to the FedGov by way of more folks paying Fed taxes. Got it.

I can see why you are so gung-ho about eliminating “illegals”.

I do not support those things except reporting those who knowingly hire invaders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Democrats in Congress must vote to close the terrible loopholes at the Southern Border. If not, harsh measures will have to be taken!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 7, 2019

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[Swordsmyth]

The Pentagon announced that well over 200 miles of physical barrier is slated to be built along the U.S.-Mexico border in the coming months.
“We now have on contract sufficient funds to build about 256 miles of barrier,” acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan said Wednesday while testing before the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee. Shanahan noted that current funding is sourced from Treasury forfeiture funds, diverted money from the Pentagon, and other border funds secured by the Department of Homeland Security.

“How you will see this materialize in the next six months is that about 63 additional new miles of wall will come online,” the acting defense secretary added. The rate will equate to roughly half a mile of border wall a day.


An Arizona construction company’s lawsuit against the Trump administration revealed where wall projects are taking place as of April. Construction projects are underway in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas; Yuma, Arizona; New Mexico and elsewhere.
In total, $7.2 billion for border operations is requested in the Department of Defense’s 2020 fiscal year budget — half of those funds would be spent solely on physical barriers.

More at: https://truepundit.com/defense-secretary-says-256-miles-of-new-border-wall-coming-soon/

 

[Swordsmyth]

Acting Secretary of Defense Pat Shanahan on Friday confirmed that the Pentagon will transfer $1.5 billion in funds for President Trump's long-promised border wall, according to VOA's Carla Babb.

Shanahan then added "I won't be reprogramming any more money for the border wall."

#BREAKING #Border @ActingSecDef Pat Shanahan confirms he is transferring $1.5 billion in Pentagon funds for the border wall, including funds Pentagon was saving for #Afghanistan. But then tells me "I won't be reprogramming any more money for the border wall."
— Carla Babb (@CarlaBabbVOA) May 10, 2019​

In March, CNN reported that the Pentagon had authorized $1 billion to begin construction on 57 miles of border fencing, which would be diverted from the DoD's $2.5 billion drug-interdiction program authorized via Trump emergency order which reappropriated some $7 billion from various sources to build the wall.

The 56-year-old Shanahan has been acting secretary since James Mattis's December resignation. Since taking over at the DoD, he has backed President Trump on several policy decisions, including Trump's surprise announcement that the US would withdraw from Syria, as well as Trump's deployment of US forces and other measures to stem the flow of illegal migration at the southern border.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...illion-afghanistan-funding-trumps-border-wall