POTUS: "America Is Not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim Nation"

Contrast this to George Washington

Contrast Obama's speech to George Washington's:

For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the union of the whole.
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Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?

Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.
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http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
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How times have changed. It looks like George Washington and Obama are both right. We've political correctly have called every conflicting and contradicting falsehood equal, no longer have only minor differences in religion, and we've reaped what we've sown, and God's wraith is upon us.
 
How can a non-human entity like a nation be of a certain religion?

Funny. ISRAEL. OK? Duh!

Secular humanism -> Religion

Evolution -> Religion

Whatever you believe that is not based in FACTS is a religion. Religion is everywhere.
 
Funny. ISRAEL. OK? Duh!

Secular humanism -> Religion

Evolution -> Religion

Whatever you believe that is not based in FACTS is a religion. Religion is everywhere.
I would add to your list...

Keynsian Economics (and our current monetary system) => Religion

Psychology & Psychiatry => Religion
 
I think America should have licensed and authorised pastors and priests like in other nations.

People should only be allowed approved religions, not all this independent protestant/baptist heresy.
 
I think America should have licensed and authorised pastors and priests like in other nations.

People should only be allowed approved religions, not all this independent protestant/baptist heresy.
And is it your wish to be the new Czar over all Religious Licenses, which are ultimately to be whittled down to a one-religion license, for convenience, of course?
 
Funny. ISRAEL. OK? Duh!

I think that is a good comparison. We are not like Israel. This is America. The problem isn't the government is secular, its that it isn't supposed to be this big and so involved in our lives.
 
Reading List for the President

Obama needs to read the book linked in my signature.
 
And is it your wish to be the new Czar over all Religious Licenses, which are ultimately to be whittled down to a one-religion license, for convenience, of course?

Hopefully. In the interests of efficiency change and freedom.
 
I hope this "Idiom" guy is joking... not sure how he could end up here on a RP forum and have views like that...

/disturbed
 
I hope this "Idiom" guy is joking... not sure how he could end up here on a RP forum and have views like that...

/disturbed

I honestly believe in the seperation of church and state. Mostly for the saftey of the church. What can I say, I'm a fan of history.

There are plenty of other however who think, that if enough people of the right religion got into government it would create a utopia. Or that this utopia existed in the past precisely because enough people of the 'correct' religion were elected.

My previous posts in this thread are only slightly further along the 'My Religion is The Religion' spectrum than what passes for completely sane around here.
 
As Ron Paul supporters, we know to research issues more deeply than most.

So no one here really believes America is a 'Christian Nation', right?
 
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens


It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
I think I wanna cry, that's stuff is so beautiful. Thanks so much for posting.

This speech screams-out why they have been going after our souls for so long. They knew the strength of our foundation and they have been wanting to break it since we told them to F-off.

I started a thread called Here's your Godless Nation, where I am attempting to show how they utilize some aspects of culture to slowly ponerize us (ie. in part, turn us away from faith and out foundations). This is a key goal for them, and they have had some success with it as so obviously displayed in these forums.

Thanks again, this speech clearly demonstrates the absolute importance of our foundations in order to remain free and prosperous. I hope more will see this as the attacks on our humanity and souls grow more ominous.
 
Not saying we are a Christian nation....but what to make of this?


“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington


"Christianity and Western Civilization are unimaginable apart from one another. All culture arises out of religion. When religious faith decays, culture must decline, though often seeming to flourish for a space after the religion which has nourished it has sunk into disbelief" - Russell Kirk
Without the foundations me thinks the West would not be what it is today. Destroying those foundations is also destroying the principles of liberty IMO.
 
Not saying we are a Christian nation....but what to make of this?



Without the foundations me thinks the West would not be what it is today. Destroying those foundations is also destroying the principles of liberty IMO.


I can trump that:


"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." - Thomas Jefferson
 
I can trump that:


"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." - Thomas Jefferson

I'm not tying to "trump" anything
I'm saying to deny Christian philosophy, religion, whatever, on the impact of Western Civilization is to be ignorant. Forgetting where you came from is a great way to end up in tyranny. Oh wait.....too late. :(
 
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." - Thomas Jefferson
Let's go down the road that it is all mythology, as you are presenting in your post. Let's hold that assumption and say that that is an absolute truth for the sake of this post.

Given this assumption, I would then argue that there are mythologies that hurt humanity and then they're are mythologies that protect mythology. What I have understood recently is that our Founders were genius in the way they tied the concept of the God mythology to a concept of unalienable rights and absolute truths. So, what I am saying is that our Founder built a societal construct that is based on one of these mythologies, and they made it so that it protects the individual better than any other system previous to it. All one has to do is to subscribe to and practice some simple tenants and the foundations of the system remain strong across all of society.

So, why 'dis' a mythology if the mythology actually works to protect the individual better than any other system ever devised? That's my point. So what if it's a mythology. For about a 100 years that mythology was the pillars to the greatest freedoms and wealth generation humankind has ever seen. Why not maintain it? Can you really argue against it? And why would you?

P.S. You know, higher mathematics is a mythology as well. So is some science. They're theoretical hogwash wrapped-up in the religion-of-science, but the media have programmed the public that science is the new religion and God + Faith are no longer politically correct. And what do you think psychology is?
 
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There is a huge difference between being a nation of Christians (which the founders were more or less) and a Christian Nation which certain sects are trying to rewrite history with.
 
Me too...but if electing a black president is an historic moment, electing an atheist will take a freaking miracle.

Won't happen. At least not for a long time. Americans like black people. Americans don't like atheists.

I'm speaking in generalities of course.
 
This has already been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court:

By a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court of the United States, in Holy Trinity Church v. U.S., 143 U.S. 457 (1892) declared in the Opinion written for the Court by Mr. Justice Brewer, that "These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation."

You can replace "is" with "was" if you like. But in 1892, I guess we were....
 
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