POTUS: "America Is Not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim Nation"

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I missed this when it first came out. Apologize in advance if this is a duplicate post, but I didn't see any posts on this when searching the forum.

YouTube - President Obama: "America Is Not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim Nation"


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Posted by: SevenS in Untagged on Apr 26, 2009


“Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor,” Mathew? Mark? Luke? The Pope? Not quite, these were the right wing religious ramblings of our first President, George Washington. The God, Mr. Washington was referring wasn't some random higher power, of his choosing, or some insignificant spiritual philosophy. No, our first President was referencing the very same Lord that sent his only son to die for our sins.

Apparently, the founding fathers affinity for Christian values and divine ideology is a fact that has eluded the modern progressive, or maybe it's just conveniently overlooked. A few weeks back, President Obama declared, “America is not a Christian nation” John Adams, who said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.” would probably disagree with Obama, strongly, as would the majority of founders. Who gave Mr. Obama the right to suggest that this is anything but a Christian nation? Oh yes, we did.

If you are under any illusion that the battle for America's soul is getting near, your dead wrong, because it's already here. The question is, “What now?” Academia continues to absorb more and more of the secular progressives social agenda, indoctrinating our children into the godless gay and lesbian world view. Now what? Samuel Adams said, “He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all.” The truth is, the further these indignant secular progressives take us down the road to moral degradation, the closer we become to a society that no longer holds itself accountable to anything more divine than a bloated government.

What we are witnessing is the prelude to oppression and persecution, the Christian way of life, thus the American way of life, and it's being obliterated. Earlier this week Taliban executed two Christians in Pakistan, who wouldn't subscribe to Islam. It seems that Christians were peacefully protesting some anti-Christian slogans (graffiti) , when the attackers decided to go door to door shouting, “You infidels have to convert to Islam or die.”. When the Christians resisted, they were murdered.

Ten years ago, we would have never imagined a Christian losing the Miss America pageant for her beliefs, yet we will sit and say nothing. Ten years from now, when Christians are murdered for their beliefs, what will we say. Must we let this escalate any longer? Christian persecution is here. Millions of our Christian brothers and sisters are slaughtered around the globe, and it's OK. In the 90's over in Bosnia, when Muslims were being murdered, the world could not sleep at night. Milosevic, was hunted and tried for war crimes, progressives gathered in the streets and bought their little bumper stickers, to ease their troubled hearts. Where are the bumper stickers for the persecuted Christians in Orissa?

“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel”

---Benjamin Franklin
 
america publically is by law something other than a theocracy.
america has people who are christian, jewish and muslim, inside
our vast population & we have people who be part of other faiths, too
 
The Founders were mostly Christian, as was the majority of the country. That being said, they also innovated the concept of separation of Church and State.

Morality is necessary, but it does not have to stem from any religion. The majority of our immoral corporate and elected leaders are religious, but they were not moral. Bernie Madoff is just one example.
 
The phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man &
his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the
legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate
with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that
their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between
Church & State.

When you actually read what Jefferson wrote, it is not that they wanted a separation of church and state, it is that they did NOT want the state to interfere with an individual's right to practice religion or spiritual beliefs.

I'd consider this comment by POTUS to be overstepping his bounds under the first amendment, as comments by a state leader have great influence.

"One of the great strengths of the United States is … we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Besides, I'd like to know where he thinks this country gets its values from? And finally, we're not citizens, we're sovereign individuals.
 
I'd consider this comment by POTUS to be overstepping his bounds under the first amendment, as comments by a state leader have great influence.

The President has a right to free speech, he can speak as an opinionated individual just as we can.


Besides, I'd like to know where he thinks this country gets its values from?

Individuals adopt their values from a multitude of different sources.

And finally, we're not citizens, we're sovereign individuals.

I agree Obama can't accurately speak for or pretend to represent the millions of people who make up the territory know as the United States. Saying "this country" when referring to its entire populace is just an abstraction, no one can speak for "we the people".
 
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This is one thing I actually agree with the President on. A "Christian Nation" implies a State Religion -- a Theocracy if you will. We do not have that, we never have had that, and I hope we never do.
 
THIS IS THE TRUTH THAT SHOULDN'T DIVIDE AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF THEIR FAITH.

Bambi is right in that the GOVERNMENT is not a christian nation. America has many different religions and should always remain tolerant and respectful of a persons' religion.

However if you WANT the government to pay respect to your religion such as being able to say a prayer to school, or have the student body say "under God" then you MUST work to get the government OUT OF SCHOOL and education. This is where the problem lies.

The government's involvement in public life such as schools will ALWAYS infringe on the faith of that community.
 
In POTUS inauguration speech he included a reference to non-believers. I guess that didn't test well in the focus groups so they removed the reference in the speech posted in the OP.

YouTube - Citing Atheists Offensive in Obama Inaugural Address?

But even with Obama's attempts to magnify the size and strength of non-believer, they're sill a pretty damn small part of this nation.

According to the CIA, the following is the order of religious preferences in the United States:

* Christian: (78.5%)

- Protestant (51.3%)
- Roman Catholic (23.9%)
- Mormon (1.7%)
- other Christian (1.6%)


* unaffiliated (12.1%)
* none (4%)
* other or unspecified (2.5%)
* Jewish (1.7%)
* Buddhist (0.7%)
* Muslim (0.6%)
 
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The phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists,

It actually comes from a set of well known works by Roger Williams, generally regarded as founding the first baptist church in America, founder of RI, and a preacher, which is why Jefferson quoted it to the danbury baptists.

There is a reason to edit that out by the way, because preachers aren't suppose to have done anything to found the country. It interferes with the propaganda.

Roger Williams is also called the founder of religious liberty.
 
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Me too...but if electing a black president is an historic moment, electing an atheist will take a freaking miracle.

or and act of god. :D eerrrrr invisible flying spaghetti monster!

BTW I was looking for a picture of the fsm and in a google found this and had to laugh. To the Christians who came up with this, you gave me a good laugh:

fsm-rape.jpg
 
FYI - A Christian nation is not necessary the same thing as a christian governement. Obama is wrong. It implies that the people in general weren't Christians when the country was founded.

b: a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government.

I suggest that this is the real thrust of bothering to even comment on it.
 
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