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J_M · Jun 5, 2007

I just sent in another $25. Any word on whether Paul will be in the late July debates?

angelatc · Jun 5, 2007

mconder said:
Did anyone notice that DOCTOR Ron Paul did not get to answer on either question about health care? Rediculous!

Yes, I was ranting a bit over that myself.

austinphish · Jun 5, 2007

err..

sorry

X_805 · Jun 5, 2007

mconder said:
Did anyone notice that DOCTOR Ron Paul did not get to answer on either question about health care? Rediculous!

It was quite odd that they didn't ask Dr. Paul any questions about health care and abortion. I mean, if I didn't know who Ron Paul was other than a doctor, I would sure want to know a doctor's stance on those two issues anyway.

Electric Church · Jun 5, 2007

Minuteman2008 said:
I ....I believe Hunter and especially Tancredo were the best on the immigration debate. Tancredo's opening remarks on immigration showed real passion on the issue.

well now you can start two more forums and be the moderator of them both: one for Hunter and the other for Tancredo... I'm sure the supporters of those candidates would appreciate your positive impression of their Presidential hopefuls.

I myself however, as do most others on this forum, know that the only hope for America is someone who is not bought and paid for by the establishment, and that someone is the person who has the guts to publicly state that he will abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve and immediately bring the troops home...go Ron go

Hawaii Libertarian · Jun 5, 2007

Ron Paul is Strongly Winning CNN's Online Poll

Not surprisingly, they are totally ignoring what's happening with their own poll.

archemeedees · Jun 5, 2007

I want a tally of how many times each candidate was allowed to speak. I didn't like seeing "the top three" focused on so heavily.

BTW, what polls are the media referring to when they place Romney, Giuliani and McCain in the lead?

ChooseLiberty · Jun 5, 2007

Dr. Paul could get the soccer mom crowd just by talking about how many babies he's delivered and how it influenced him on abortion.

Also tying in immigration problems to the health care system problems would be good. Who's going to argue with a doctor on those points?

thomaspaine23 · Jun 6, 2007

torchbearer · Jun 6, 2007

are there more AP media contacts in the media list i posted?

rp4pres · Jun 6, 2007

I just thought of something Ron Paul said on his Bill Maher appearance. He mentioned how the peace candidate always wins and how Johnson beat Goldwater when Goldwater was turned into the "guy who would unleash the bomb".

Tonight, with his premptive nuke comments, he just turned all the other Republican candidates into "guys who will unleash the bomb". This strategy ought to shock a few neo-cons out of their waronterra trance.

torchbearer · Jun 6, 2007

rp4pres good observation.

Minuteman2008 · Jun 6, 2007

Electric Church said:
well now you can start two more forums and be the moderator of them both: one for Hunter and the other for Tancredo... I'm sure the supporters of those candidates would appreciate your positive impression of their Presidential hopefuls.

I myself however, as do most others on this forum, know that the only hope for America is someone who is not bought and paid for by the establishment, and that someone is the person who has the guts to publicly state that he will abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve and immediately bring the troops home...go Ron go

Okay. I'll be sure to censor any positive comments about anyone other than RP, even though as I pointed out in my post that I believe Paul did a fine job. And he remains my first choice. Geesh! Lighten up!

And Hunter and Tancredo are pretty far from being bought and paid for candidates, unlike the Big Three (or Big Four, depending on if you include Fred Thompson). I don't agree with their stance on the war, but that isn't the only issue, far from it.

Bloody Holly · Jun 6, 2007

this is what happens when corporations sing

"This land is my land, this land is my land...this land isn't your land, this land is myyy land"

Ron Paul is a threat. Most corporations will not endorse his stance. Democrats with the exception of Kucinich and republicans with the exception of Ron Paul are corporations nightmare. They might actually have to follow rules and stuff!

If you think of the initial of Clinton, Edwards, Obama....

SlapItHigh · Jun 6, 2007

Dr. Paul could get the soccer mom crowd just by talking about how many babies he's delivered and how it influenced him on abortion.

FWIW, I am a mother of two young boys and these are two issues that initially turned me off to Ron Paul. Thankfully, I looked further and learned about him entirely. I am a pretty hardcore advocate for homebirth or at least for women to deliver their own babies in whatever setting. We certainly don't need men (of all people) to do it for us. Instinctively, we will reach down and catch our own babies if an HCP isn't intervening and doing it for us. I cringe every time I hear/read that a dr "delivered" someone's baby, totally taking the power away from the mother. I believe in NON INTERVENTION when it comes to childbirth. Non-intervention is not just good for foreign policy, it is good for most things. Reading more about Paul, I found that he does seem to be a more hands off dr and has great respect for nature in medicine. I wish I knew more about his history as an OB. I'm also pro-choice (as are most of my soccer mom friends).

winston84 · Jun 6, 2007

I thought that Ron Pauls response to the moral question was the greatest moment of the debate. I was also pretty pissed off how Wolf did not extend one of the "all respond questions" over to RP, what was that!?

One thing I will say is that Tancredo came off strong on the immigration issue. He almost f'ed up when he was about to say "immigrants should cut all fam- (familial) ties" when they arrive here.

For only having about 5 minutes of air time, RP made a huge impact!

carla8478 · Jun 6, 2007

SlapItHigh said:
FWIW, I am a mother of two young boys and these are two issues that initially turned me off to Ron Paul. Thankfully, I looked further and learned about him entirely. I am a pretty hardcore advocate for homebirth or at least for women to deliver their own babies in whatever setting. We certainly don't need men (of all people) to do it for us. Instinctively, we will reach down and catch our own babies if an HCP isn't intervening and doing it for us. I cringe every time I hear/read that a dr "delivered" someone's baby, totally taking the power away from the mother. I believe in NON INTERVENTION when it comes to childbirth. Non-intervention is not just good for foreign policy, it is good for most things. Reading more about Paul, I found that he does seem to be a more hands off dr and has great respect for nature in medicine. I wish I knew more about his history as an OB. I'm also pro-choice (as are most of my soccer mom friends).

I'm glad you investigated Ron Paul further. I also chose homebirth and encourage others to consider it. But I think a woman has every right to have a doctor do the delivery if she wants. And Dr. Paul stikes me as the type who really respects the mother.

However, I can't agree with you on the pro-choice issue. I just wanted to make sure that people knew homebirth advocates can be pro-life too.

SlapItHigh · Jun 6, 2007

I'm glad you investigated Ron Paul further. I also chose homebirth and encourage others to consider it. But I think a woman has every right to have a doctor do the delivery if she wants. And Dr. Paul stikes me as the type who really respects the mother.

I too (of course), think every woman has the right to have a dr deliver her baby for her if she wants. The fact remains, most women "choose" to have a dr deliver her because of our past history and the government interference/banning of midwifery and the downward spiral that followed. It is too simple to say that women should be able to choose this way (although I do agree). For most women it isn't a choice, it is a social conditioning that came about through force. I do NOT want this to change by force but I sure want it to change. Simply saying that women should have the choice to have a dr deliver her is is like saying women in afghanistan should have the right to choose to wear burqas. Yes, they should. BUT, most afghani women who still "choose" to wear burqas aren't really doing so because they dislike freedom. It is much more complicated.

Ron Paul says that most people are born instinctual libertarians but the public school system beats it out of them. Well I think most women are born to instinctually want to deliver their own babies but....

However, I can't agree with you on the pro-choice issue. I just wanted to make sure that people knew homebirth advocates can be pro-life too.

I'm sure people know that. FWIW, I am sympathetic to the pro-life view and feel that Paul has a valid point in his stance. I am also extremely against abortion on a personal level but I'm open to the fact that I might be wrong and have come to realize that for me personally, I'm ok with others choosing abortion even though *I* think it is wrong. I still disagree with abortion and advocate against it. I just don't know what percentage of soccer moms he is going to win over with his prolife stance.

carla8478 · Jun 6, 2007

I agree with you on the social conditioning part. Dr. Paul is one of the few medical doctors that I like. (I'm a naturopathic practitioner.) Many MD's are all about controlling you instead of educating you and helping you to make your own choices. But in their defense, they've been socially conditioned too.

And you are right, the school systems aren't helping either.

Ron Paul says it all. Its the same solution to most of the problems. Free the market and let the people choose. It brings accountability to the table. It improves health care, schools, and just about anything.

Electric Church · Jun 6, 2007

thomaspaine23 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_on_el_pr/republicans_debate

the link is above. the reporter states in the story there were 10 candidates on stage. Somehow he manages to find quotes from only 9 of them.
Guess who he omitted???

perhaps an email to AP reporters is in order???

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Thanks for the email addresses.....just sent

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