Post Debate Discussion

[angelatc]

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/b6606331-a6c3-424b-8c69-306cb17a3442?comments=true#comments

Here's a blogger who thinks Rudy won.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

I thought the first debate was more successful for Dr. Paul. In this debate he was outright ignored, and the 3 questions he had were very pointed. And then there was the whole Giuliani thing. I was hoping he would have been able to appeal to a new audience, I am worried that is not the case.

 

[cujothekitten]

I thought the first debate was more successful for Dr. Paul. In this debate he was outright ignored, and the 3 questions he had were very pointed. And then there was the whole Giuliani thing. I was hoping he would have been able to appeal to a new audience, I am worried that is not the case.

Why? He's winning all the polls so far.

 

[Teflon Master]

hahahaha Ron Paul just saved some serious face there. Lets hope enough people saw that.

 

[amonasro]

amazing, paul just managed to save a lot of face, and HAND IT to HANNITY! Thank you Colmes for giving him some air time.

 

[swatmc]

Sean Hannity

I love the man's style. He asks a question. While Dr. Paul was trying to answer... Hannity interrupted. He didn't let him answer!

 

[cujothekitten]

What'd he say?

 

[Stinker]

Also I loved the minute of air time.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Someone PLEASE get that up on YouTube.

Sigh. Maybe I should get cable just for the debates. Never watch tv otherwise, despite all the quality programming.

 

[billv]

I am so absolutely furious with Hannity. What a bastard. Seriously. You invite the guy to clarify his remarks, and then when he's making sense, trying to clarify his misrepresented position, in typical Hannity fashion, he talks over him so he can't get his point out. What a fat mouthed bastard.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

Ha ha - he totally schooled Hannity. Ron Paul is winning the internet polls but I am worried that he has not been given the opportunity to share his entire platform with the non-internet types.

Perhaps when the internet has reached a maturity where it is more commonplace that will mean people like Ron Paul are heard by all. Then we will look back at him as a vital groundbreaker in taking back our country from the establishment.

 

[MsDoodahs]

These idiots on Fox can't figure out that Dr. Paul HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT.

Not EVERY GOP person is a frikken WAR HUNGRY IDIOT.

Why is that so hard for them to believe that Dr. Paul has a lot of support when SEVENTY PERCENT of the whole country does NOT approve of this war?

 

[billv]

Hannity just said he challenged Ron on it. LOL. Since when is talking over someone challenging them.

 

[Teflon Master]

What'd he say?

Basically, Ron Paul said that he isn't running for republicans, he is running for the people. He won't run as an independent if he doesn't get the nod. Hannity then says "do you believe America is responsible for the attacks on 9/11". Paul responded with the truth that that was a complete cop-out, trying to make it sound like a vote for Paul is a vote against America. Hannity keeps pressing, Paul answered with a no. He then further explained that the CIA and common sense would indicate that if you keep putting restrictive and counterproductive measures against Muslim countries, they will get angry and a sound and intelligent foreign policy would have prevented it. Hannity then yells over him and says "so you have no morality and would let mass killings like when Saddam gassed the Kurds". Paul responded correctly in saying America has sat idly by for years while mass killings and human rights abuse have been happening, just like America and the gassing of the Kurds. Paul then said if you want to wage war you have to declare it, Hannity said some trash about how it was and there is nothing in the constitution saying such a thing.

Oh yeah, Colmes earlier asked him how could he be libertarian if he is pro-life, and he responded that it he is correct in the realm of the constitution and it is states business.

 

[Melchior]

Oh yeah, Colmes earlier asked him how could he be libertarian if he is pro-life, and he responded that it he is correct in the realm of the constitution and it is states business.

That was just such a dumbass question.

Libertarians aren't official pro-choice, libertarians are split on the issue, and regardless we aren't in favor of federal funding or usurping states rights.

Colmes is a dumbass and so is Hannity.

 

[JoshLowry]

Ha ha - he totally schooled Hannity. Ron Paul is winning the internet polls but I am worried that he has not been given the opportunity to share his entire platform with the non-internet types.

He wasn't able to get it his message out as well at this debate, but it's still the same as what we saw in the first one.

As far as sharing his platform with non internet types, that's where the internet people come in. Time to hit the streets.

 

[jimvkruse]

Being pro-life is consistent with the libertarian defense of life, liberty, and property.

 

[Hawaii Libertarian]

More of the Same

As one would expect, the establishment media shrills are already writing their obituaries for the Paul candidacy, ridiculing his exchange with Giuliani, and taking cheap shots.

Still, many of the MSM are not highlighting this too much, so their strategy still seems to be marginalizing Dr. Paul by minimizing any coverage of him.

Surprisingly, the comments on two recent New York Times articles about the debate have included quite a few positive comments on Dr. Paul and his views.

As usual, the "establishment" conservatives at the National Review, U.S. News and World Report, and other MSM seem to have written off Dr. Paul.

It's not as bleak as it might seem. As of 1:00 PM EDT today, Dr. Paul is still solidly leading the MSNBC online poll with a 45 percent positive rating over second place Romney who is at 25 percent, and Giuliani third at 24 percent, with a total of 26,592 votes cast so far.

It will be interesting to learn the Nielsen ratings for the debate. Either the other Republican campaigns must be writing off the MSNBC online poll, or they are for the most part unable to energize their grassroots activists, despite a huge organizing and financial advantage.

The Fox poll only managed a total 40K plus votes from people who cared enough to vote and had cell phones and knew how to text message.

The way I read these results, the other campaigns are not generating that much excitement, despite the audience cheers for Giuliani in the hall last night.

We still have a lot of work to do and it will be interesting to see how Dr. Paul places in the upcoming "scientific" polls.

 

[cujothekitten]

Being pro-life is consistent with the libertarian defense of life, liberty, and property.

Pro-choicer use property as an argument for abortion. A woman owns her own body so she can choose what happens to it. Since a fetus is attached to her body it is part of her.

It can be, and is, argued with life vs. property. Personally I'm on the fence with this issue.

 

[jimvkruse]

They try and argue that way by dehumanizing the fetus. Obviously, many scientists and doctors (like Dr. Paul) say that a pregnant woman represents two lives, not just one, and that both lives should be protected by the Constitution.