Pope says Church cannot be obsessed with gays, contraception, abortion

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I had my doubts about this Pope but it seems to me like he really is different from his predecessors. Especially when he is saying stuff like this. Kudos to the man! I believe that God loves all his children and not just the heterosexual ones and I think the Pope agrees.

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis said the Catholic Church should not allow its bans on gay marriage, abortion and contraception to dominate its teachings, but must be a more welcoming Church where priests are understanding pastors and not cold, dogmatic bureaucrats.

In a dramatically blunt interview with Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit monthly, Francis said the Church had locked itself up in "small things, in small-minded rules". It must find a new balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy, "otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards..."

Francis, the first non-European pope in 1,300 years and the first from Latin America, did not hold out the prospect of any changes soon to such moral teachings.

In the long interview with the magazine's director, Jesuit Father Antonio Spadaro, he also said he envisioned a greater role for women in the 1.2 billion member Church but suggested it would not include a change in the current ban on a female priesthood.

In an remarkable change from his predecessor Benedict, who said homosexuality was an intrinsic disorder, Francis said that when homosexuals told him they were always condemned by the Church and felt "socially wounded", he told them "the Church does not want to do this".

He re-stated his comments first made on the plane returning from Brazil in July that he was not in a position to judge gays who are of good will and in search of God.

In the interview released on Thursday, he added: "By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person."

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-church-cannot-obsessed-gays-contraception-abortion-163220900.html
 
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That's too bad. Catholicism has never been a very Biblical philosophy to begin with, but with this new pope it will just get even worse.
 
That's too bad. Catholicism has never been a very Biblical philosophy to begin with, but with this new pope it will just get even worse.

That's a good thing. There are many branches of Christianity with the Catholics being the biggest of the group. Maybe this statement will cause that divide to grow bigger. So the Catholics won't be stuck with the stink of those fringe Christians who believe all gays will go to hell. NEWSFLASH!! God doesn't judge us tilll we die but those fringe Christians seemed to have made that decision for God already.
 
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WITH BUTT SEX?

ASK ONE OF YOUR "PRIESTS" ABOUT BEING OBSESSED ...AH NEVER MIND

I DONT LISTEN TO FALSE PROFITS AND BLIND GUIDES ANYWHO



HARLOTS GONNA HARLOT
 
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In b4 Sola_Fide and the usual Catholic bashing.

You do realize that you're kind of asking for it when you say things like this?:p

The only thing I want to understand is, doesn't the RCC kind of claim that its teachings on these matters can't be claimed?

I've never heard anyone say all "gays" (that's really vague anyway) go to Hell. I've also never heard anyone actually judge whether someone is "elect" or not before they died.

All that said, TC got it right.
 
He re-stated his comments first made on the plane returning from Brazil in July that he was not in a position to judge gays who are of good will and in search of God.

Hate the sin, not the sinner. Radical stuff there.
 
Doesn't matter; he's going to do it anyway. ;)


Yeah, but now he has an excuse:p

That said:
In a dramatically blunt interview with Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit monthly, Francis said the Church had locked itself up in "small things, in small-minded rules". It must find a new balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy, "otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards..."
In a dramatically blunt interview with Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit monthly, Francis said the Church had locked itself up in "small things, in small-minded rules". It must find a new balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy, "otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards..."

I don't think its OK to call prohibitions murder, or even homosexual sex "Small minded rules."
 
Yeah, but now he has an excuse:p
He doesn't need one.

On the subject of what the Pope said, I've never been one to allow a leader to dictate to me what I know is right. I respect the Pope, but I can decide for myself what behavior I should avoid.
 
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I don't think its OK to call prohibitions murder, or even homosexual sex "Small minded rules."

Oh really? Please tell me why you are so bothered by homosexual sex? I'm sure there were thousands of people who had homosexual sex last night, please tell me how that has affected you.
 
Oh really? Please tell me why you are so bothered by homosexual sex? I'm sure there were thousands of people who had homosexual sex last night, please tell me how that has affected you.

First of all, to be clear, I'm talking about morality here, not laws. I fully support the legal right for any adult to have consensual sex with any other adult they want.

With that said, its not about how it affects me, its about what God commands, which should be important to any Christian (Although Francis doesn't qualify anyway). The stability of families is also in direct opposition to statism.
 
Apparently Francis has decided that murder isn't that big of a deal.

This was the pope's answer to an abortion question in that same interview:

He raises the example of a woman with a failed marriage behind her who has had an abortion. She remarries, has five children, and is happy. "That abortion in her past weighs heavily on her conscience and she sincerely regrets it. She would like to move forward in her Christian life … We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible … We have to talk about them in a context."

On gay Catholics, he adds flesh to the remarks he made in July when he said he would not judge a gay person seeking God. In the latest interview, the Pope adds that "God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.
 
It is the obligation of all decent people, out of respect for human life, to oppose the practice of abortion.

Homosexuality and the use of contraceptives cause no harm in and of themselves to anyone else and thus should be left to the discretion of the individual.

I'm certainly no theologian, but I am a Christian and my understanding of the laws according to which Christ judges human souls are concerned with how people treat one another. To me, it would be just as strange for, say, blonde people, to be so arbitrarily unable to know God's love as it would be for homosexuals.
 
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