POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 140 signatures today...

[Andrew76]

RON PAUL DOES NOT SUPPORT THE DRAFT!

Our message is FREEDOM and you want to FORCE him to run???

Pure AssHats who don't understand his message at ALL!

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

Worst. Rebuttal. Ever.
A military draft, wherein a person is conscripted by LAW to join the military... is an entirely different universe than that of us writing our praises of Ron Paul, suggesting strongly to him that he consider an independent run. Even if we had all the signatures in the world, it wouldn't matter if Ron said, "No thanks."
If it was a draft, he couldn't say no, genius.

 

[V3n]

Leave the poor man alone. He's already done more and gone to more places than he ever dreamed he would be capable of doing. He started the movement, he gave us the big picture, and the blueprint, now it's time for us to do our parts and for some of us to rise up and run for office ourselves.

He's been fighting these windmills for 30 years for you and for me, but if he says "the movement isn't about me' and he says he doesn't want to run 3rd party, I think the least of what we owe him is to respect that.

 

[colecrowe]

post this, with the link to this poll (thread) on Daily Paul and etc. please

 

[colecrowe]

Horrible: He could never win, it would be a huge waste of time&money, & GOP more important.

I can't believe the people voting for this one.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Yeah, let's spread this poll link around. If we can get 1000, or even several hundreds votes on it, then it will gain a little standing as good data.

 

[SteveMartin]

Let's go! Let's go!! Not a moment to lose!!!

I want to call Bob Barr and RP today!!!

WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

 

[V3n]

Horrible: He could never win, it would be a huge waste of time&money, & GOP more important.

I can't believe the people voting for this one.

RE: GOP more important

There are already many politicians running as "Ron Paul Republicans". If Ron Paul were to run as a 3rd party, all of those politicians would be metaphorically hung for associating with "the RINO, the traitor, the Libertarian Ron Paul". They would lose all credibility and have no shot at competing as a Republican or 3rd party.

It's hard enough to run, even harder to go 3rd party - for the sake of those Ron Paul Republicans, he can't leave them out to dry. The movement stands a better chance, if instead of putting all of our eggs on a Ron Paul President, we continue to fight for the Ron Paul Congress and Ron Paul Senate... Diversify!

 

[SteveMartin]

he doesn't want to run 3rd party

We are urging and INDEPENDENT run. There are major differences.

He has always followed that by saying, "it's too expensive, and you spend all your time getting on the ballots, etc.

Times have changed. He would get the LP nomination, the CP nomination, the Reform Party nomination, the American Party nomination, maybe even the Green Party nomination. The ballot lines are there waiting for him!!!

The money will come! GUARANTEED!!!

We have at least 100,000 dedicated supporters. We have raised $32,000,000 total so far. That's $320 of a possible $2300 per supporter, AND when he goes Independent for the general election, those clocks start over again at 0!

PLUS...I know how to get ahold of the billionaire. He really exists...with a new campaign team he might be convinced to run those infommercials and put his $100,000,000 he originally promised if we would just get a competent campaign team!

 

[SteveMartin]

v3n,

Please go make your 15 posts on one of your CIA forums, and let us get on with taking our country back. Thanks in advance.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

RE: GOP more important

There are already many politicians running as "Ron Paul Republicans". If Ron Paul were to run as a 3rd party, all of those politicians would be metaphorically hung for associating with "the RINO, the traitor, the Libertarian Ron Paul". They would lose all credibility and have no shot at competing as a Republican or 3rd party.

It's hard enough to run, even harder to go 3rd party - for the sake of those Ron Paul Republicans, he can't leave them out to dry. The movement stands a better chance, if instead of putting all of our eggs on a Ron Paul President, we continue to fight for the Ron Paul Congress and Ron Paul Senate... Diversify!

It's absurd to think we could even come close to winning the primaries to win a majority of the Senate and Congress. There are only a few people running who identify themselves as "Ron Paul Republicans" right now at the national level. And even when they do, some are just applying the label to build grassroots support and turn out to warmongers and neo-cons. If anything, a Ron Paul independent run would make a nice backup plan for larger figures like Sabrin. Murray Sabrin himself could continue on as an independent if he does not win the NJ Senate primary, which is very possible, since he still isn't a front runner in that race.

The GOP is dominated by belligerent neo-cons at all levels. Ron Paul Republicans could do no more this year than win a couple House seats at best and some local state-level offices. Even the three or four RP Republicans who are running in Maryland are in districts where strong Dem incumbents are likely to crush them.

The Republican label itself has become far too much an abomination for the average American voter.

 

[abe447]

I voted, Horrible: He could never win, it would be a huge waste of time&money, & GOP more important.

Third parties never win. They're a waste of time and money. Why do you think Ron Paul joined the Republican Party to get into Congress? He's already done this in 88 and said he won't do it again. Maybe you don't remember him saying, "There will be no 3rd party run." His plan is to stay in Congress, period.

 

[SteveMartin]

We are winning!! But we need more votes...let's go. If we get 60-70% for options 1-3 by 5PM with at least 200 votes, I will call RP.

 

[SteveMartin]

abe,

NO one is talking 3rd party. We are talking about a Barr-Paul, or Paul-Barr ticket as INDEPENDENTS and going after the endorsements of ALL the 3rd parties.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

We are urging and INDEPENDENT run. There are major differences.

He has always followed that by saying, "it's too expensive, and you spend all your time getting on the ballots, etc.

Times have changed. He would get the LP nomination, the CP nomination, the Reform Party nomination, the American Party nomination, maybe even the Green Party nomination. The ballot lines are there waiting for him!!!

The money will come! GUARANTEED!!!

We have at least 100,000 dedicated supporters. We have raised $32,000,000 total so far. That's $320 of a possible $2300 per supporter, AND when he goes Independent for the general election, those clocks start over again at 0!

PLUS...I know how to get ahold of the billionaire. He really exists...with a new campaign team he might be convinced to run those infommercials and put his $100,000,000 he originally promised if we would just get a competent campaign team!

I agree with almost all the third parties you listed, Steve. Don't forget the American Independence Party. Their chairman recently mailed Ron Paul a letter encouraging him to do an indy run. They were formerly wanting Bloomberg as a candidate, but seem happy to endorse Ron Paul if he goes indy. The party is new and relatively small, but would be important in a couple states.

The MN Independence Party (Jesse Ventura's old party which is still considered a major party in Minnesota) and the NY Independence Party (which has historically run several strong gubernatorial candidates) are a part of the new national American Independence Party.

I don't think we could get the Green's endorsement, but we could get the individual support of some open-minded Greens. I've got a couple Green Party friends and unfortunately, most of the party is full of ex-Democrats who are playing their own version of identity politics this year. They seem almost sure to run Cynthia McKinney--a black woman--to outdo the Democrats in "diversity." In any case, they won't very significant, and will pull in around 100,000 votes like they did in 2004 with their nominee David Cobb.

We might have a better chance of getting Ralph Nader to drop out at some point and endorse Ron Paul.

 

[colecrowe]

is this on daily paul?? (I've never been able to figure out how to get an account there)

 

[Kludge]

This is a GREAT way to siphon money from state/local issues that will have a bigger impact on us....

We need to educate more people.... Maybe we'll get a libertarian-leaning president in a couple decades, but not today.

 

[SteveMartin]

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No he didn't, Yongrel. He said he wouldn't run 3rd party. His brother Wayne told me last week that he had never said he "wouldn't" just that he wouldn't seek it, unless his supporters urged it upon him.

TIME TO START URGING BOYS AND GIRLS!!!

Actually, the petition is already up...I'll get the title in a second, but it's been put up already by someone else. Spread the word!!!!

No, nothing from Barr yet.

The rumor came from someone close to Tom Lizardo himself. I just spoke to this person. 100% reliable...


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#32 Today, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yongrel
Ron Paul has said himself that he is not going to run as an independent.

Wrong. He has always said he has "no plans."

The message after Super Tuesday in Feb. said there would be no THIRD PARTY run. There's a difference. But even besides the fact, I don't believe the message was written by Ron Paul himself. There's no way he would've quoted Trotsky. It was obviously ghost written by some campaign staffer.

The ultimate proof is his meeting with Bob Barr, which happened Tuesday. Why would he even be meeting with Barr, knowing that Barr is trying to convince him to be a President or VP on a ticket with him, if he were really that firm?


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#33 Today, 11:09 AM

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Two thoughts:

An independent run would undermine phase 2, which is the take over of the GOP. I'm sure this could be worked around with some fast talking: "I'm not leaving my party, my party left me. I still hope to reform the party through grassroots, blah, blah."

There is still work to be done on the current campaign.
1) Identifying and cataloging RP voters
2) Winning delegates
3) Influencing the convention

Can we run two campaigns at once?


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#34 Today, 11:12 AM

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PLEASE, EVERYONE!!! GO VOTE IN THE POLL NOW!!! Spread it to all the other message boards. Get this done today, and I will call RP.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=126930

Title: POLL: Draft Ron Paul. Indy run? I got....


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#35 Today, 11:12 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by limequat
Two thoughts:

An independent run would undermine phase 2, which is the take over of the GOP. I'm sure this could be worked around with some fast talking: "I'm not leaving my party, my party left me. I still hope to reform the party through grassroots, blah, blah."

There is still work to be done on the current campaign.
1) Identifying and cataloging RP voters
2) Winning delegates
3) Influencing the convention

Can we run two campaigns at once?

Yes we can. The GOP measures can be left up to those who want to do it from the grassroots. Personally, it seems like a total lost cause. How would a mere 30-70 Ron Paul delegates influence hundreds of warmongering idiot ones anyway? You might get them on a few key points, like tax relief and gun rights. But both of those things are something the Fred Thompson and Huckabee delegates will be lobbying for anyway.

Standing as an anti-war voice or demanding the protection of our civil liberties will fall on almost totally deaf ears amongst the other idiots serving as delegates from Romney, McCain, Huckabee, and Thompson.

 

[V3n]

v3n,

Please go make your 15 posts on one of your CIA forums, and let us get on with taking our country back. Thanks in advance.

For having such a famous name, your comedy is extremely lacking.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

This is a new site established last week that has an online petition for an independent run:

http://draftronpaul.com/

Anyone know of any better ones?

 

[colecrowe]

please keep this bumped up