Politico: Occupy Wall Street crashes Ron Paul event

[wgadget]

SO I'm gonna Drudge this, k?

I thought it was AWESOME the way our fearless LEADER handled the situation.

 

[jasonxe]

i think there was a video of paul saying that those who got bailed out should be taxed and making sure you don't punish the people who did it honestly. Anybody got a link to that?

 

[wgadget]

I dunno, but today on the news I heard that Newt has stolen Ron's ideas on a Social Security opt-out for young people.

 

[Brett85]

They certainly can be.

The West Virginia coal mine companies come to mind, as I happen to have a close friend who lived through it as a youngster.

These outfits were brutal, basically nothing more than "legit" mafia, and not above using private security forces to bust into troublemakers homes and drag them off to be shot in the woods.

I'm sure that there are some corporations that are evil, just like there's some individuals that are evil. But it just isn't good to generalize and say that they're all evil. There are a lot of good corporations that benefit society.

 

[sailingaway]

I dunno, but today on the news I heard that Newt has stolen Ron's ideas on a Social Security opt-out for young people.

Yep.

 

[Brett85]

I dunno, but today on the news I heard that Newt has stolen Ron's ideas on a Social Security opt-out for young people.

He actually stole Bush's idea. Personal retirement accounts.

 

[sailingaway]

I dunno, but today on the news I heard that Newt has stolen Ron's ideas on a Social Security opt-out for young people.

Yep.

But unless he cuts a trillion in spending, he won't be able to pay for it and benefits for those who have already paid in, at the same time. The money has to come from somewhere, and Ron's plan says from where. Newt' as usual, is just winging it.

 

[Brett85]

Yep.

But unless he cuts a trillion in spending, he won't be able to pay for it and benefits for those who have already paid in, at the same time. The money has to come from somewhere, and Ron's plan says from where. Newt' as usual, is just winging it.

Newt's plan isn't allowing people to "opt out," so it's not the same as Ron's plan. People aren't actually allowed to keep their money and spend it. They just have the option of investing the money in a personal retirement account if they wish. I think his plan is better than the status quo, but it's not the same as Ron's plan, and it's not nearly as good.

 

[cucucachu0000]

we need to drudge the crap out of it i feel like this could be one of those moments that get those macho men conservative types to relate more with ron paul without insulting the OWS like saying they need to bathe.

 

[Rede]

I dunno, but today on the news I heard that Newt has stolen Ron's ideas on a Social Security opt-out for young people.

An idea isn't something that can be stolen. Besides, when mainstream politicians like Newt start adopting policies that we propose/support it means we're winning.

Now the real question is whether or not mainstream politicians like Newt would actually deliver.

 

[Adam West]

Hey Guys, as the world arround you begins to crumble, it is only natural that the young and most disaffected stand up in the streets first, this should not be construed as a negative thing.

I know the driving force behind Ron Paul is young people, and this is encouraging, but history has shown that most young people (RP supporters not inc.) naturally lean to the left. They see injustices in the world and look for simplistic solutions, not understanding that true liberty and justice comes from the individual and not the group.

At least they are doing something, questioning, and beginning to awaken, not like some who mindlessly follow what they are told.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

He actually stole Bush's idea. Personal retirement accounts.

Not really. Bush's idea was to allow people to invest a fraction of their SS withholdings into semiprivate accounts. That's a whole different ball of status quo wax, IMHO.

ETA n/m you were saying that GINGRICH stole Bush's idea. Yes, that's accurate.

 

[pinkmandy]

They certainly can be.

The West Virginia coal mine companies come to mind, as I happen to have a close friend who lived through it as a youngster.

These outfits were brutal, basically nothing more than "legit" mafia, and not above using private security forces to bust into troublemakers homes and drag them off to be shot in the woods.

+1

Corps don't get a free pass. They're as guilty as the corrupt politicians. My biggest global corp beef is Monsanto.

Clinton admin:
Clinton creates a new position at the FDA and fills it with Monsanto man Michael Taylor
FDA rewrites rules- gmo foods become "gras" iow generally recognized as safe
not because of rigorous testing but because the ingredients are naturally derived and thus recognized as safe
now 98% of soy grown in this country is gmo. soy is in almost everything on a grocery store shelf
Monsanto uses its army of lawyers to sue family farms for infringing on their copyright if seeds from neighboring fields blow into their fields

Taylor moves from FDA to USDA
growth hormones in meat/dairy becomes a-okay
routine antibiotics given to animals becomes a-okay
nevermind the potential for growth of superbugs

and more

Taylor helps rewrite rules/regs in the FDA and USDA to benefit big ag, destroy small farmers and fill our grocery store shelves with unnatural food

Job well done, Taylor goes back to Monsanto

now under Obama...

Obama creates a new position in FDA called Food Safety Czar
He puts, guess who, Michael Taylor in that position
Taylor decides he can leave Monsanto for a bit to get to work again in the FDA

and we wonder why raw milk farms get raided?

It's a dance between corrupt officials and corrupt global corps. It takes both. With the backing of the banks behind it all.

 

[BamaAla]

I wasn't surprised after I saw the location (Keene, New Hampshire.) That town apparently is home to the worlds largest collection of douche bags.

 

[kylejack]

Hey now, the Free Talk Live boys live in Keene.

 

[wgadget]

Hey Guys, as the world arround you begins to crumble, it is only natural that the young and most disaffected stand up in the streets first, this should not be construed as a negative thing.

I know the driving force behind Ron Paul is young people, and this is encouraging, but history has shown that most young people (RP supporters not inc.) naturally lean to the left. They see injustices in the world and look for simplistic solutions, not understanding that true liberty and justice comes from the individual and not the group.

At least they are doing something, questioning, and beginning to awaken, not like some who mindlessly follow what they are told.

Adam West, are you BATMAN? Er..I mean...WERE you Batman?

It would be SO COOL if Ron Paul could list BATMAN as a supporter.

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Yeah, it doesn't seem many people here actually understand what it takes to win a GOP primary. That may just be because so many people here are so new to politics. But obviously, you can't win over conservative voters by reaching out to the far left.

I just think some of you guys miss the point. Ron Paul is going to be Ron Paul, he is going to reach out to everybody and hope his message will bring them over. He isnt going to "win" over anybody, he is going to be the same old Ron. It's on the people to have an open mind. Thats the only way he wins. He's not going to play the little political shenanigans (i.e. pander to group A, ignore group B).

 

[kylejack]

Right. Ron Paul doesn't have to pander because his message has a wide appeal, so much so that people who came to protest applauded him when he said things we all agree with.

 

[sailingaway]

Actually, I'm thinking they supported Ron Paul before hand or at the very least understood some of his points. They have post about the Fed and it being audited etc on their twitter also. Not sure though as they have some that sound against capatalism.

occupykeeneOccupy Keene From @occupy_party First-ever audit of Fed Reserve reveals $16 trillion in secret loans to banks and businesses http://t.co/uLSelrMX #OWS
15 Nov

well the other tweet said 'a lot of his points are on exactly what we talk about'. They are pissed at the fed, went to protest and found he's the biggest Fed fighter of them all.

 

[Revolution9]

Hey Guys, as the world arround you begins to crumble, it is only natural that the young and most disaffected stand up in the streets first, this should not be construed as a negative thing.

I know the driving force behind Ron Paul is young people, and this is encouraging, but history has shown that most young people (RP supporters not inc.) naturally lean to the left. They see injustices in the world and look for simplistic solutions, not understanding that true liberty and justice comes from the individual and not the group.

At least they are doing something, questioning, and beginning to awaken, not like some who mindlessly follow what they are told.

There is a truism of sorts in that if yer 19 and not left wing you have no heart and if yer 40 and not right wing you have no brain.
Idealism through thought experiment->Practicality through experience.

Rev9