Political commentator Jack Hunter, FreedomWorks Director Austin Petersen attack Alex Jones

[erowe1]

so sick of the Ron Paul Inc. crowd. Can't these people just plow ahead and not offend "the base"?

So much fail.

The people offended aren't the base. If they ever were, those days are gone. We here are plowing ahead, right there with Hunter, Petersen, Rand, Amash, Bentivolio, etc. The day will come fairly soon that those who intend to be counterproductive to this will not last here.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

The people offended aren't the base. If they ever were, those days are gone. We here are plowing ahead, right there with Hunter, Peterson, Rand, Amash, Bentivolio, etc. The day will come fairly soon that those who intend to be counterproductive to this will not last here.

Very true. People that are offended by the comments made by Petersen and Hunter are an infinitely small portion of the electorate. And if it wasn't these comments that would offend them, it will be something else that will offend them.

Just this week we have seen people here be highly critical of Kerry, Cruz, Rand and now Hunter and Peterson. Is it really worth it for those folks, and others like them to pander to a very small, highly volatile "base"? I don't think so.

 

[KingNothing]

The best thing Alex Jones did was expose the lie and conceit of "formal" news media. He made a mockery of it all, just by being Alex Jones. It's all a sideshow. It's infotainment. It's unSerious stupidity.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

The people offended aren't the base. If they ever were, those days are gone. We here are plowing ahead, right there with Hunter, Petersen, Rand, Amash, Bentivolio, etc. The day will come fairly soon that those who intend to be counterproductive to this will not last here.

Amen.

 

[belian78]

All I can say, is that I was in that chair, I would have done the same thing. Minus the volume of my voice. But I would hijack the fuck out of a CNN TV show and personally embarrass Piers. Piers may have won politically, but he looked like such a wimpy little shit last night.

Are we still trying to compromise and play nice with the establishment? Why? I thought we learned from the last year that the system won't allow us to co-opt shit. Ever since this movement went to Washington, it's splintered and became some insecure mess. Why? Because I feel that too many people have gotten the taste of Washington now. We need a little less Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Freedomworks type strategy. We used to applaud the in-your-face actions. Like Kokesh at the convention before he took too much DMT. I like that shit. We applaud when it's done in other countries. But here it seems, the new "leaders" of this movement are very comfortable writing articles, Facebook posts, Youtube videos spreading opinions, when it used to be about just spreading KNOWLEDGE.

I don't know, I took Dr. Paul's message quite seriously when he spoke about how we are over the cliff as a nation, and only a change in the voters minds will save us. Playing nice with the media or Washington so that Rand Paul can MAYBE get a cabinet position in 2016 has nothing to do with my freedom.

I sound negative I know. But I see this movement is turning into a lot of different sects trying to influence the overall future of Liberty in this country. We have the FreedomWorks, YAL, Hunter, Youtube celebrity side. That uses words like "purge" when it comes to the Jones crowd. Then I see the old guard of 07, some of which (me included) are so turned off by the political dancing of Liberty candidates, and I guess "pundits". When I read the quotes in the OP, I just see the same media belittling we complain about on a daily basis.

When I read Hunter's comments, or that kid that I think is the President of YAL that always has some snarky FB remark towards the "truther" or "conspiracy crowd", I think of two things:

1) They are just attacking what they don't understand. They are attacking what makes them uncomfortable. They are attacking what they don't believe in. They are attacking what is different. They are attacking what is against their best interest. Sound familiar. And worst of all, they are attacking critical thinking and freedom of expression. I have no time for that. It's sad really.

2) "“The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive. "I don't understand this person. So they're crazy." That's bullshit. These people are not crazy." -Dave Chappelle

Just a shitty job of following Ron Paul's footsteps. You know, the gentleman that never "purged" anyone and pretty much is the reason that YAL guy (or Mr. FreedomWorks) is even important.

I just want to get back to what got us here. Behind the scenes, grassroots efforts to educate the PEOPLE.

But let's instead spend 2 days pointing fingers at an Alex Jones. Like he's the actual reason our 2nd Amendment is under attack. It's under attack because of one thing; mindless masses that proudly admit to ignoring politics, unless Anderson Cooper tells them some something is important.

"Alex Jones hurts our movement!". Movement where? To the White House? To "take our government back!"? Does anyone really believe we are headed in that direction? I'm sure a ton of people here have some plan or theory about how we will take back our liberty through Washington in 2016. But the success I have seen is in the conversations I have on a daily basis. With normal people who see at least some of what we see.

Last night was entertainment, pure and simple. We act as if these individuals owe us something.

I speak for myself, and no one speaks for me. This should be a leaderless effort to educate. Like I think the doctor ordered.

Damn I wish I could buy you a beer right now. You summed up exactly how I feel about all these johnny come latelys, and the supposed 'veterans' of the liberty movement with their upturned noses at us folks that started this whole thing. You are 100% completely spot on right, cheers to you.

 

[belian78]

The people offended aren't the base. If they ever were, those days are gone. We here are plowing ahead, right there with Hunter, Petersen, Rand, Amash, Bentivolio, etc. The day will come fairly soon that those who intend to be counterproductive to this will not last here.

Go right ahead and schmooze to your heart's delight, be assimilated all you like. The old guard will keep on, keepin on and hold the torch while you look back and wonder how you got compromised right into the same mess you were trying to change. But do not think for one second that you watered down so called activists are going to push us out.

 

[phill4paul]

All I can say, is that I was in that chair, I would have done the same thing. Minus the volume of my voice. But I would hijack the fuck out of a CNN TV show and personally embarrass Piers. Piers may have won politically, but he looked like such a wimpy little shit last night.

Are we still trying to compromise and play nice with the establishment? Why? I thought we learned from the last year that the system won't allow us to co-opt shit. Ever since this movement went to Washington, it's splintered and became some insecure mess. Why? Because I feel that too many people have gotten the taste of Washington now. We need a little less Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Freedomworks type strategy. We used to applaud the in-your-face actions. Like Kokesh at the convention before he took too much DMT. I like that shit. We applaud when it's done in other countries. But here it seems, the new "leaders" of this movement are very comfortable writing articles, Facebook posts, Youtube videos spreading opinions, when it used to be about just spreading KNOWLEDGE.

I don't know, I took Dr. Paul's message quite seriously when he spoke about how we are over the cliff as a nation, and only a change in the voters minds will save us. Playing nice with the media or Washington so that Rand Paul can MAYBE get a cabinet position in 2016 has nothing to do with my freedom.

I sound negative I know. But I see this movement is turning into a lot of different sects trying to influence the overall future of Liberty in this country. We have the FreedomWorks, YAL, Hunter, Youtube celebrity side. That uses words like "purge" when it comes to the Jones crowd. Then I see the old guard of 07, some of which (me included) are so turned off by the political dancing of Liberty candidates, and I guess "pundits". When I read the quotes in the OP, I just see the same media belittling we complain about on a daily basis.

When I read Hunter's comments, or that kid that I think is the President of YAL that always has some snarky FB remark towards the "truther" or "conspiracy crowd", I think of two things:

1) They are just attacking what they don't understand. They are attacking what makes them uncomfortable. They are attacking what they don't believe in. They are attacking what is different. They are attacking what is against their best interest. Sound familiar. And worst of all, they are attacking critical thinking and freedom of expression. I have no time for that. It's sad really.

2) "“The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive. "I don't understand this person. So they're crazy." That's bullshit. These people are not crazy." -Dave Chappelle

Just a shitty job of following Ron Paul's footsteps. You know, the gentleman that never "purged" anyone and pretty much is the reason that YAL guy (or Mr. FreedomWorks) is even important.

I just want to get back to what got us here. Behind the scenes, grassroots efforts to educate the PEOPLE.

But let's instead spend 2 days pointing fingers at an Alex Jones. Like he's the actual reason our 2nd Amendment is under attack. It's under attack because of one thing; mindless masses that proudly admit to ignoring politics, unless Anderson Cooper tells them some something is important.

"Alex Jones hurts our movement!". Movement where? To the White House? To "take our government back!"? Does anyone really believe we are headed in that direction? I'm sure a ton of people here have some plan or theory about how we will take back our liberty through Washington in 2016. But the success I have seen is in the conversations I have on a daily basis. With normal people who see at least some of what we see.

Last night was entertainment, pure and simple. We act as if these individuals owe us something.

I speak for myself, and no one speaks for me. This should be a leaderless effort to educate. Like I think the doctor ordered.

+rep

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Damn I wish I could buy you a beer right now. You summed up exactly how I feel about all these johnny come latelys, and the supposed 'veterans' of the liberty movement with their upturned noses at us folks that started this whole thing. You are 100% completely spot on right, cheers to you.

There's no need to have this cry me a river mindset in dealing with how the bulk of the movement operates. The fact is, these figure heads of the RP movement will always have the vast majority of supporters tending to run with their tactics as they have the avenues and mouth pieces to organize said movement. Those that don't like it are free to do whatever they want to advance their version of how the movement should be ran but cohesiveness works better in the long run. That said, I'm neutral to these guys' take on Jones performance and really don't care one way or the other. I'd venture to say that those that do hold the view that Jones and whoever hurts the movement feel this way because they're constantly being lumped into a faction that they're not a fan of.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Go right ahead and schmooze to your heart's delight, be assimilated all you like. The old guard will keep on, keepin on and hold the torch while you look back and wonder how you got compromised right into the same mess you were trying to change. But do not think for one second that you watered down so called activists are going to push us out.

Then how would you suggest this movement grows in both size and influence, if a percentage of it is so quick to criticize like-minded individuals like Hunter, Petersen, Kerry, Rand, Cruz, et al? For starters, just based on your statement above you have no place for folks like erowe and myself in your clique - now if half of the folks here are choosing them same path as people like myself are, you just alienated half of your potential audience. How can you then grow from where you are at now?

 

[erowe1]

Go right ahead and schmooze to your heart's delight, be assimilated all you like. The old guard will keep on, keepin on and hold the torch while you look back and wonder how you got compromised right into the same mess you were trying to change. But do not think for one second that you watered down so called activists are going to push us out.

Here's a rule from the forum guidelines:

Content Guidelines: The following guidelines regulate site content:

+ No promoting agendas that counter our Mission Statement.

This does apply to being antagonistic against the campaigns that we are promoting when they're going on. People who want to do that may be able to up through 2014. But once Rand becomes the flagship here, then, yes, they will be pushed out. You probably know this already.

 

[belian78]

Here's a rule from the forum guidelines:


This does apply to being antagonistic against the campaigns that we are promoting when they're going on. People who want to do that may be able to up through 2014. But once Rand becomes the flagship here, then, yes, they will be pushed out. You probably know this already.

Time will eventually tell who was in the right I suppose. I hope you are right actually, because if we are, it's all for the worse for our republic.

 

[torchbearer]

funny, all the people at my office thought the interview was awesome, and one person called Jones intelligent.
these are average folk, not jones fan club.

 

[belian78]

funny, all the people at my office thought the interview was awesome, and one person called Jones intelligent.
these are average folk, not jones fan club.

You and them are completely wrong of course. /s

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

funny, all the people at my office thought the interview was awesome, and one person called Jones intelligent.
these are average folk, not jones fan club.

Personally, I haven't encountered anyone that watched it since there was a game on last night and a lot of other choices. The handful of people that have emailed me on it today saw some stuff on the news. Like I said, this was calculated - Jones was being Jones, and I am sure he will sell more water filters today than he did all last week.

 

[ninepointfive]

The only reason Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Collins, etc keep attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their strategy, is because they are jockeying for power and control of a "movement" they can barely understand.

We could have all just gotten along, but it appears that the continuance of these attacks just furthers the division. so be it.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

We could have all just gotten along, but it appears that the continuance of these attacks just furthers the division. so be it.

It goes both ways though: one statement, one vote and there is a whole contingency that forms a lynch mob. There's a nice number of liberty candidates in the House right now. I bet that by summer time everyone of them will be raked over the coals and called "traitors to the movement" by some cabal here.

 

[torchbearer]

The only reason Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Collins, etc keep attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their strategy, is because they are jockeying for power and control of a "movement" they can barely understand.

We could have all just gotten along, but it appears that the continuance of these attacks just furthers the division. so be it.

that's the feeling i get too...

 

[phill4paul]

The only reason Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Collins, etc keep attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their strategy, is because they are jockeying for power and control of a "movement" they can barely understand.

We could have all just gotten along, but it appears that the continuance of these attacks just furthers the division. so be it.

+rep.

 

[KingNothing]

funny, all the people at my office thought the interview was awesome, and one person called Jones intelligent.
these are average folk, not jones fan club.

Funny, the people I've spoken to about it thought he was insane and that it was entertaining.

 

[torchbearer]

Funny, the people I've spoken to about it thought he was insane and that it was entertaining.

I guess I keep better company.