Political commentator Jack Hunter, FreedomWorks Director Austin Petersen attack Alex Jones

I didn't even watch, but all the same, I'm on Alex's side.

Look, if he doesn't represent you, (he doesn't represent me) what does it matter? He was him, not any of us. seems to me that the 'libertarian' thing to do is say he is him, we are respectively us, and he speaks as his own person. Not that I claim the label for myself, necessarily, I just think that being upset that someone is defending a position in a way you consider to be substandard is good reason for tweets that defend it better, not tearing down the guy on the spot.

I've liked Austin Peterson in some stuff, but this seems elitist, honestly.
Seriously. You gotta watch the video.



I'd also add that the country does not have a libertarian philosophy. When the MSM equates Jones to being representative of our cause they will listen. I really would not care if that wasn't the case.
 
Now maybe the scaredy cat liberty activists here can settle down....looks like AJ impressed Glenn Beck's audience. That's the people you're trying to impress, right? :rolleyes:

You seem to have a very jaded view of political activism. I don't believe anyone is trying to impress Beck's audience, but instead to persuade them to support particular candidates and/or to lobby their representatives to vote for/against various pieces of legislation.

Politics is a numbers game and it all comes down to votes. If your guy has more votes than the other guy you win. If your bill has more "yeas" than "nays" it passes. Maybe that's not your bag, but repeatedly shitting all over the efforts of others is really getting old.
 
You seem to have a very jaded view of political activism. I don't believe anyone is trying to impress Beck's audience, but instead to persuade them to support particular candidates and/or to lobby their representatives to vote for/against various pieces of legislation.

Politics is a numbers game and it all comes down to votes. If your guy has more votes than the other guy you win. If your bill has more "yeas" than "nays" it passes. Maybe that's not your bag, but repeatedly shitting all over the efforts of others is really getting old.
Golly, Capt, I didn't even mention you among "scaredy cat liberty activists" but you stepped right up. I don't have a jaded view of activism, but I am definitely downright cynical when it comes to politics.

Look, it's all good this time. Glenn Beck's and Mark Levin's audience are already on our side about gun rights. They might not like AJ's style, but so what? As sailingaway said earlier in this thread, he has his style, you have yours, and I have mine. We don't all have to do everything the same way.
 
What can you expect from someone who backstabbed Ron Paul by defending an endorsement of Mitt Romney on Ron's own campaign website?

On Ron's own campaign website...Ergo, on behalf of Ron. That's not backstabbing.
 
Golly, Capt, I didn't even mention you among "scaredy cat liberty activists" but you stepped right up. I don't have a jaded view of activism, but I am definitely downright cynical when it comes to politics.

Look, it's all good this time. Glenn Beck's and Mark Levin's audience are already on our side about gun rights. They might not like AJ's style, but so what? As sailingaway said earlier in this thread, he has his style, you have yours, and I have mine. We don't all have to do everything the same way.

Well I agree with you regarding AJ's style. I view him as (pardon the expression) an attention whore. Jones is in this for Jones. The screaming lunatic is his shtick. He isn't the first and he won't be the last. Last night was a well played charade that benefited both parties.
 
I agreed with what Jones was saying but he strayed off to talk about conspiracies too much. He got off topic way too easily and although he was right, talking about 9/11, etc hurts his credibility.
 
I agreed with what Jones was saying but he strayed off to talk about conspiracies too much. He got off topic way too easily and although he was right, talking about 9/11, etc hurts his credibility.

Do you honestly think Jones went on that show to increase his credibility?

I'll put it to you this way - if Jones went on that show last night and was mild-mannered, stuck to the issue of the 2nd Amendment, and never lost his cool, would anyone other than his loyal fans be talking about him today?
 
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No one backstabbed Ron Paul, not sure where this falsehood keeps coming from? :confused:

A lot of his supporters did when they tried to force him to give a nomination speech at the RNC after he had done everything he could to make clear that he wasn't going to.
 
We have a ton of elitists here. Even at Jones' enemy Glenn Beck's site theblaze.com people are cheering Alex.

Isn't that kind of like Harry Connick Jr. fans cheering for Michael Buble'? I mean it's what you would expect.
 
Well I agree with you regarding AJ's style. I view him as (pardon the expression) an attention whore. Jones is in this for Jones. The screaming lunatic is his shtick. He isn't the first and he won't be the last. Last night was a well played charade that benefited both parties.
Well, let's face it: Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and -- of course -- Piers Morgan are also in it for themselves. That's called capitalism. I don't agree with Jones all of the time, and I disagree with the others most of the time. But don't kid yourself, the others are just as much attention whores as Jones is.
 
A lot of his supporters did when they tried to force him to give a nomination speech at the RNC after he had done everything he could to make clear that he wasn't going to.

Actually, Tate himself 'corrected' the 'mistake' the staffer had made saying that Ron would not accept nomination from the floor, and said Ron of course would accept it if he got it.

Not getting into the rest of it, yet again, but you misrepresent Ron's position.
 
Well, let's face it: Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and -- of course -- Piers Morgan are also in it for themselves. That's called capitalism. I don't agree with Jones all of the time, and I disagree with the others most of the time. But don't kid yourself, the others are just as much attention whores as Jones is.

Oh totally agree. I detailed Morgan's last few weeks in an earlier post. They all have their personas that they portray, some of it is an act, some of it is genuine. I think the more flamboyant ones (Jones, Morton Downey Jr, Savage, etc) are more of an act, at least when it comes to their delivery. It's the media, and therefore a certain portion of it is entertainment, and personality based. That's why Beck has a ton more listeners than Boortz does even though their content is very similar - its the style that keeps people listening.
 
Riiiiighht. Wink, wink.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...not-accept&highlight=clarification+email+tate

I think Ron had no idea that was being said on his behalf. I don't think you want me to marshal the reasons I think that.

Note that while Tate even in his clarification that Ron would accept said they didn't have the five states to nominate, Ron in fact had six states file to nominate him, and was entitled to a nomination speech until the rules were retroactively changed by vote to change the rules, which not just us, but most conservatives who commented on it, thought to be at most a tied voice vote that should have been counted. http://www.google.com/search?q=rnc+...&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But if you are saying Tate was lying, then why should we believe any of that line at all? where did it come from?
 
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...not-accept&highlight=clarification+email+tate

I think Ron had no idea that was being said on his behalf. I don't think you want me to marshal the reasons I think that.

Note that while Tate even in his clarification that Ron would accept said they didn't have the five states to nominate, Ron in fact had six states file to nominate him, and was entitled to a nomination speech until the rules were retroactively changed by vote to change the rules, which not just us, but most conservatives who commented on it, thought to be at most a tied voice vote that should have been counted. http://www.google.com/search?q=rnc+...&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But if you are saying Tate was lying, then why should we believe any of that line at all? where did it come from?

You were one of the back stabbers, and you can't admit it. I know you'd love to talk yourself back into being able pretend you were in the right again. Feel free. I won't read it anyway.

Ron was happy about the rule change. He was probably in on it. He didn't want to be nominated. You and some others just didn't give a hoot what he wanted.
 
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So treacherous Neo-Con trash does not like Alex Jones .... to me this indicates Jones did something good.

Jack Hunter is NOT a patriot in my opinion .... he is a sold out whore!
 
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All I can say, is that I was in that chair, I would have done the same thing. Minus the volume of my voice. But I would hijack the fuck out of a CNN TV show and personally embarrass Piers. Piers may have won politically, but he looked like such a wimpy little shit last night.

Are we still trying to compromise and play nice with the establishment? Why? I thought we learned from the last year that the system won't allow us to co-opt shit. Ever since this movement went to Washington, it's splintered and became some insecure mess. Why? Because I feel that too many people have gotten the taste of Washington now. We need a little less Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton, Freedomworks type strategy. We used to applaud the in-your-face actions. Like Kokesh at the convention before he took too much DMT. I like that shit. We applaud when it's done in other countries. But here it seems, the new "leaders" of this movement are very comfortable writing articles, Facebook posts, Youtube videos spreading opinions, when it used to be about just spreading KNOWLEDGE.

I don't know, I took Dr. Paul's message quite seriously when he spoke about how we are over the cliff as a nation, and only a change in the voters minds will save us. Playing nice with the media or Washington so that Rand Paul can MAYBE get a cabinet position in 2016 has nothing to do with my freedom.

I sound negative I know. But I see this movement is turning into a lot of different sects trying to influence the overall future of Liberty in this country. We have the FreedomWorks, YAL, Hunter, Youtube celebrity side. That uses words like "purge" when it comes to the Jones crowd. Then I see the old guard of 07, some of which (me included) are so turned off by the political dancing of Liberty candidates, and I guess "pundits". When I read the quotes in the OP, I just see the same media belittling we complain about on a daily basis.

When I read Hunter's comments, or that kid that I think is the President of YAL that always has some snarky FB remark towards the "truther" or "conspiracy crowd", I think of two things:

1) They are just attacking what they don't understand. They are attacking what makes them uncomfortable. They are attacking what they don't believe in. They are attacking what is different. They are attacking what is against their best interest. Sound familiar. And worst of all, they are attacking critical thinking and freedom of expression. I have no time for that. It's sad really.

2) "“The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive. "I don't understand this person. So they're crazy." That's bullshit. These people are not crazy." -Dave Chappelle

Just a shitty job of following Ron Paul's footsteps. You know, the gentleman that never "purged" anyone and pretty much is the reason that YAL guy (or Mr. FreedomWorks) is even important.

I just want to get back to what got us here. Behind the scenes, grassroots efforts to educate the PEOPLE.

But let's instead spend 2 days pointing fingers at an Alex Jones. Like he's the actual reason our 2nd Amendment is under attack. It's under attack because of one thing; mindless masses that proudly admit to ignoring politics, unless Anderson Cooper tells them some something is important.

"Alex Jones hurts our movement!". Movement where? To the White House? To "take our government back!"? Does anyone really believe we are headed in that direction? I'm sure a ton of people here have some plan or theory about how we will take back our liberty through Washington in 2016. But the success I have seen is in the conversations I have on a daily basis. With normal people who see at least some of what we see.

Last night was entertainment, pure and simple. We act as if these individuals owe us something.

I speak for myself, and no one speaks for me. This should be a leaderless effort to educate. Like I think the doctor ordered.

Thread winner.

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