Police Officer: "Trust Me, Ferguson Changed Everything"

[tod evans]

You and osan have both implied that it is justified to kill any cop at any time for any reason. Both of you implied it when you both disagreed with me when I said there is some space between licking the boots of your oppressor and supporting cop-killing whenever and wherever it occurs.

tod, you're better than this. Come on. I don't care what position you take on this issue, but I do care that you are lying about that which is in plain sight for us all to see.

Look FF, I'm sick and tired of you calling me a liar, trying to attribute your interpretation of my words as what I've actually said, and then trying to give some kind of silly ultimatums with ridiculous questions phrased in such a way that absolves you of actual comprehension.

Not acknowledging loaded questions is a far cry from either lying or advocating murder.

I have asked you several relevant and pertinent questions that you have conveniently sidestepped and tried to obfuscate with your little tantrums, would you care to address them? (They're the sentence that precedes a question mark)

If you're able to draw degrees of wrong from bombing a child in his crib then that's a moral failing on your part, I'll not entertain your loaded question on the matter further.

Go back in this thread and read the posts that lead up to this quote;

when I said there is some space between licking the boots of your oppressor and supporting cop-killing

Here's the question I asked TC that you felt compelled to address;

Where you raised to lick the boots of your oppressor?

And here is the offensive post that you've been defending;

To be accurate about what happened, the cops didn't intentionally hurt the baby in the crib. They threw a grenade into the house and it happened to land in the baby's crib. Now, it was absolutely terrible what happened, and it illustrates why the war on drugs needs to come to an end. The war on drugs is literally killing people all across America and is more dangerous than the drugs themselves. But to say that the cops intentionally threw a grenade at a baby just isn't accurate. So I certainly don't see that as any worse than someone who intentionally murders a cop. The war on drugs which leads to all of these police abuses and those who promote and use violence against police officers are equally bad.

If you actually support bombing children in their crib or in any way condemn those who seek actual justice outside of their court system then yes I view you as a bootlicker. And my statement of "Not in my world" rings true.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Look FF, I'm sick and tired of you calling me a liar, trying to attribute your interpretation of my words as what I've actually said, and then trying to give some kind of silly ultimatums with ridiculous questions phrased in such a way that absolves you of actual comprehension.

Not acknowledging loaded questions is a far cry from either lying or advocating murder.

I have asked you several relevant and pertinent questions that you have conveniently sidestepped and tried to obfuscate with your little tantrums, would you care to address them? (They're the sentence that precedes a question mark)

If you're able to draw degrees of wrong from bombing a child in his crib then that's a moral failing on your part, I'll not entertain your loaded question on the matter further.

Go back in this thread and read the posts that lead up to this quote;

Here's the question I asked TC that you felt compelled to address;


And here is the offensive post that you've been defending;



If you actually support bombing children in their crib or in any way condemn those who seek actual justice outside of their court system then yes I view you as a bootlicker. And my statement of "Not in my world" rings true.

I see a difference between using vigilante justice on those particular cops, and on all cops. I would condemn the latter but not the former.

 

[loveshiscountry]

To be accurate about what happened, the cops didn't intentionally hurt the baby in the crib. They threw a grenade into the house and it happened to land in the baby's crib. Now, it was absolutely terrible what happened, and it illustrates why the war on drugs needs to come to an end.

Depraved indifference

 

[navy-vet]

I'm ripping this off.

How exactly does one do that Deborah? I want a copy too....

 

[navy-vet]

No, the blame goes just to the cops. Fuck those piles of garbage. If anything, the public is too subdued and subservient toward them.

So, your position as well as a few others in here, is that society has no need of law enforcement? The thugs will simply lay down their weapons and transform into honest, gentle, compassionate human beings who will only ask for a hug now and then to maintain their benevolence? If, and when, the police are disbanded?

 

[navy-vet]

I think killing an innocent child is far worse than killing a cop. Both are (generically) wrong yes. But there are rational reasons to hate cops, at least. An innocent child who's done nothing to anybody? No.

Really, its like a comparison between someone who wants to bomb ISIS with someone who wants to bomb a childcare center. Yes, both are wrong but one is more rational than the other.

You don't believe that intent matters? I mean, there's no difference between an accident and a willful action?

 

[navy-vet]

I personally feel that there is a significant difference in wanton disregard and gross negligence than a reasonable mistake during a reasonable execution of an act in the context in play here. As for the killing of a child, indirectly, in an enemy camp, to save the lives of other innocent children...that's a call I am glad I never had to make and hope I never do, but I'm reluctant to pass judgement on another for making a call like that, when I don't have all of the facts.

 

[Brett85]

If you actually support bombing children in their crib or in any way condemn those who seek actual justice outside of their court system then yes I view you as a bootlicker. And my statement of "Not in my world" rings true.

So I guess I support bombing children in their crib because I don't think it's justified to go murder cops. Never mind the fact that I've stated at the very beginning of this thread that the incident with the cops throwing the grenade in the baby's crib just illustrates how out of control the cops are. But it just isn't hardly possible to be extreme enough for some people here. I think if my family and friends knew I was posting here and even having these kinds of conversations, they would think that I was completely nuts just for engaging in such a ridiculous conversation.

 

[navy-vet]

When I was criticized for making a completely non controversial statement that cops killing and abusing civilians and civilians murdering cops are equally wrong, it was pretty clear to me what those who replied to my comment were saying. That was confirmed the longer the thread went on. It's a little late to back away from that now.

I believe that acting under "color of authority" in the commission of a crime is far more grievous than the same crime being perpetrated by a no-authoritarian. And the penalty should be at least twice as severe.

 

[navy-vet]

I believe that acting under "color of authority" in the commission of a crime is far more grievous than the same crime being perpetrated by a no-authoritarian. And the penalty should be at least twice as severe.

Don't you agree?

 

[Christian Liberty]

You don't believe that intent matters? I mean, there's no difference between an accident and a willful action?

I think there is. I've been arguing such throughout this thread.

So I guess I support bombing children in their crib because I don't think it's justified to go murder cops. Never mind the fact that I've stated at the very beginning of this thread that the incident with the cops throwing the grenade in the baby's crib just illustrates how out of control the cops are. But it just isn't hardly possible to be extreme enough for some people here. I think if my family and friends knew I was posting here and even having these kinds of conversations, they would think that I was completely nuts just for engaging in such a ridiculous conversation.

My family and friends think I'm nuts to. I don't care. I just care about truth

On a more serious note, though, would you at least make a distinction between saying that vigilante justice should be used against THE PARTICULAR COPS who engage in atrocities like grenading children in their beds, and saying that vigilante justice should be used against "cops" indiscriminately?

If somebody just killed a random cop who was patrolling in his squad car and as far as we knew hadn't really done anything to anyone other than hand out traffic tickets perhaps, I would vote to convict the killer (assuming no reasonable doubt and all that.) If somebody killed the specific cop who grenaded those children, I would vote to acquit. No, I'm not necessarily saying it would be "right", and I honestly have a hard time knowing with certainty how to assess that type of a thing from a Christian paradigm (I have a number of conflicting values there.) But I certainly wouldn't convict them of murder in that case. And really, that doesn't seem that "extreme" to me. Of course, my perspective of what qualifies as such is somewhat biased

 

[Christian Liberty]

TC, would you assert that it is NEVER justified to use violence against a cop? Or is it possible for a cop to do something so grievous that a violent response could be justified?

 

[Brett85]

On a more serious note, though, would you at least make a distinction between saying that vigilante justice should be used against THE PARTICULAR COPS who engage in atrocities like grenading children in their beds, and saying that vigilante justice should be used against "cops" indiscriminately?

I see a difference, but I don't promote or condone either. It's possible that if a police officer harmed me by intentionally killing or seriously harming someone I was close to, I might get so mad that I would possibly commit an act of violence against the police officer. But I still wouldn't claim that it was morally right. I wouldn't condone it and promote it as something other people should do.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Yeah, you would think. Some of the comments in this thread are probably bordering on illegal activity, at least if it went a little further and a specific threat against a specific police officer was made. The thread should probably get deleted before the Department of Homeland Security or some other government agency gets a hold of it.

Not that it really matters, but any such comments on this forum would already be noted by at least four active accounts. I don't know if one person represents all four accounts, but all of these accounts login daily to RPF. My observation is that the animosity is so great that the person would be itching to report someone.

It's a grand misnomer that any government agency has the wherewithal to efficiently monitor such comments. Contrary to popular perception, their technology/work is too inept, diffuse, unresourceful, and frankly, just lazy. Informants are paid in larger operations. Smaller matters, such as these, generally rely on tips from tattlers.

If it matters to you.

 

[Brett85]

TC, would you assert that it is NEVER justified to use violence against a cop? Or is it possible for a cop to do something so grievous that a violent response could be justified?

I mean, if a cop actually came into your house and started shooting at you, then it would be an act of self defense to shoot back and would be morally right. But that's extremely unlikely to happen. Even the worse police abuses generally don't involve cops just shooting indiscriminately at someone in their house for no reason.

 

[navy-vet]

I think there is. I've been arguing such throughout this thread.


My family and friends think I'm nuts to. I don't care. I just care about truth

On a more serious note, though, would you at least make a distinction between saying that vigilante justice should be used against THE PARTICULAR COPS who engage in atrocities like grenading children in their beds, and saying that vigilante justice should be used against "cops" indiscriminately?

If somebody just killed a random cop who was patrolling in his squad car and as far as we knew hadn't really done anything to anyone other than hand out traffic tickets perhaps, I would vote to convict the killer (assuming no reasonable doubt and all that.) If somebody killed the specific cop who grenaded those children, I would vote to acquit. No, I'm not necessarily saying it would be "right", and I honestly have a hard time knowing with certainty how to assess that type of a thing from a Christian paradigm (I have a number of conflicting values there.) But I certainly wouldn't convict them of murder in that case. And really, that doesn't seem that "extreme" to me. Of course, my perspective of what qualifies as such is somewhat biased

Vigilante justice is not justice and can not be condoned in a free society.
I disagree with the example of the child that was injured by the grenade, and believe I know what you are saying, and do agree with much of it in principle.

 

[Brett85]

The ironic thing about all of this is that I would probably still be considered "anti cop" by most people. I posted all kinds of articles during the Ferguson riots criticizing the police response and advocating demilitarizing the police. But if you don't take it to the most extreme level possible, then I guess you're "pro cop" here.

 

[Occam's Banana]

So, your position as well as a few others in here, is that society has no need of law enforcement? The thugs will simply lay down their weapons and transform into honest, gentle, compassionate human beings who will only ask for a hug now and then to maintain their benevolence? If, and when, the police are disbanded?

I, for one, certainly don't think that disbanding the police would turn them into "honest, gentle, compassionate human beings who will only as for a hug now and then to maintain their benevolence."

Oh, wait ... I just realized that you were probably referring to "the thugs" and "the police" as if they were two separate groups ...

Sorry, my mistake ... nevermind ...

 

[navy-vet]

If a child is injured as a result of being indirectly assaulted by a cop who is legally executing his duty after having exercised prudent judgement and taken appropriate measures to ensure bystander safety. Then any injury to that child should be considered accidental or the fault of the child's custodian.
To launch a physical assault on that cop, under such circumstances is a grievous and immoral criminal act and shouldn't be permitted in a free, civilized society.

 

[sparebulb]

Vigilante justice is not justice and can not be condoned in a free society.

Ken Rex McElroy just gave you +rep........from the grave.