Police Officer: "Trust Me, Ferguson Changed Everything"

[Brett85]

Oh bullshit. 1965 they would have knocked on the door and said:


"Come out with your hands up we have a warrant for your arrest."


The drug problem was no better or worse back then and possession was equally as "illegal".


Issuing an arrest warrant with a grenade is cruel and unusual. This is wanton abuse and torture of SUSPECTS.


Shake and bake... They're just druggies: No Humans Involved.

The militarization of the police is another factor in why those kind of events keep happening, which has primarily occurred because of the federal program in which excess military equipment is donated to police departments across the country.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Yeah, no blame to the people who want to murder cops, and to the people who want to harm others. Only blame the cops. Got it.

The people who want to harm others are the cops. Everyone else are the victims. People shouldn't be docile or taking these abuses lying down. If anything, there isn't enough resistance against these uniformed thugs. And your false equivalency isn't helping to combat this culture of bootlicking.

 

[Brett85]

The people who want to harm others are the cops. Everyone else are the victims. People shouldn't be docile or taking these abuses lying down. If anything, there isn't enough resistance against these uniformed thugs. And your false equivalency isn't helping to combat this culture of bootlicking.

Cops are the only people who harm others? There aren't private citizens who commit murder, rape, theft, etc?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Cops are the only people who harm others? There aren't private citizens who commit murder, rape, theft, etc?

Private citizens can't get away with murder, theft, rape, etc. without any repercussions because they wear a costume and a badge.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, I agree. It's just ridiculous for the police to launch a grenade into a house because someone might be smoking a plant. But I was just making the point that the police officers didn't intentionally hurt that baby, but were extremely reckless by throwing the grenade into the house simply because they thought there might be drugs there.

No, they were not reckless...that would be grenading a home where you had no knowledge that there may be innocent people inside.

These cops had every reason to believe that there were infant children in the home, and they went ahead with the raid anyway.

Anybody else would be charged with aggravated manslaughter at the least.

 

[Brett85]

These cops had every reason to believe that there were infant children in the home, and they went ahead with the raid anyway.

Anybody else would be charged with aggravated manslaughter at the least.

I agree they should be charged with something like that and have to face prison time, but I don't think it would actually be premeditated first degree murder. (If the baby had died) In the situation that occurred they should've been fired and also charged with aggravated assault.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh and "Line of Duty" deaths?

Exactly the same as they were at this time last year, which was lowest ever recorded.

82 total.

http://www.odmp.org/

36 by gunfire which is up 44% from last year, but still at decades low number.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Private citizens can't get away with murder, theft, rape, etc. without any repercussions because they wear a costume and a badge.

Well, actually they do, because when somebody kills one of us Mundanes, we don't get the privilege of a thousand man battalion hut hutting around for weeks on end looking for our killer.

 

[jjdoyle]

To be accurate about what happened, the cops didn't intentionally hurt the baby in the crib. They threw a grenade into the house and it happened to land in the baby's crib. Now, it was absolutely terrible what happened, and it illustrates why the war on drugs needs to come to an end. The war on drugs is literally killing people all across America and is more dangerous than the drugs themselves. But to say that the cops intentionally threw a grenade at a baby just isn't accurate. So I certainly don't see that as any worse than someone who intentionally murders a cop. The war on drugs which leads to all of these police abuses and those who promote and use violence against police officers are equally bad.

It's not just one, and yes, they INTENTIONALLY went into that house using WEAPONS. They were not forced to go into that house, they went on their own.
And yes, they were WILLFULLY ignorant of the toys in the yard and the van in the driveway. THEY INTENTIONALLY went to that house, looking for action. And got it. Not only that, but then their superior says they were "just following SoP", and he would do it again? (Maybe that was a different one?)

But, yes, the cops WILLFULLY threw that grenade into a house, and WILLFULLY ignored the child play toys outside, the van with a car seat, and the FACT THE OTHER CAR WASN'T AT THE HOUSE.
The cop in South Carolina WILLFULLY fired and hit the guy he pulled over for supposedly not wearing a seatbelt, and CONTINUED TO FIRE AFTER THE GUY'S HANDS WERE UP!

So yes, it is accurate to say the cops threw the grenade at the baby, because they willfully ignored the obvious in their pursuit of action.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The same people who we used to count on for support, the good, law abiding general public, are now reluctant to trust us.

And on and on and on and on...

 

[bunklocoempire]

Yeah, I agree. It's just ridiculous for the police to launch a grenade into a house because someone might be smoking a plant. But I was just making the point that the police officers didn't intentionally hurt that baby, but were extremely reckless by throwing the grenade into the house simply because they thought there might be drugs there. I said that both the police and those who hate the police are going too far and should be to blame; police officers who act like soldiers are becoming far too common and are completely out of control. But violent thugs who chant "the only good cop is a dead cop" and actually go around murdering police officers aren't any better and are to blame as well.

Do you understand deadly force?

Again:

Know your target and what is behind it/around it.

Let me try to explain.
When unleashing deadly force you cannot take it back, therefore, when that deadly force was used it was intentional. There are no backsies or do-overs with deadly force.

If one does not subscribe to the notion that deadly force is to be respected at all cost, how can one even debate it's use?

But violent thugs who chant "the only good cop is a dead cop" and actually go around murdering police officers aren't any better and are to blame as well.

How about if those folks unintentionally end an officer?

The respect of deadly force is where this debate begins. Understand that one and then you can debate it's use.

Not trying to bust your chops on this TC but you've got to understand the nature of deadly force first and the respect it must be shown. I haven't seen any evidence that you really understand it.

 

[Brett85]

I just love how I'm not ever "extreme enough" on these issues for people here, even though I've advocated legalizing all drugs on this thread, advocated demilitarizing the police, and advocated firing and prosecuting the police officers who launched the grenade that almost killed a baby.

Good night everyone.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I just love how I'm not ever "extreme enough" on these issues for people here, even though I've advocated legalizing all drugs on this thread, advocated demilitarizing the police, and advocated firing and prosecuting the police officers who launched the grenade that almost killed a baby.

Good night everyone.

Its awesome

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I just love how I'm not ever "extreme enough" on these issues for people here, even though I've advocated legalizing all drugs on this thread, advocated demilitarizing the police, and advocated firing and prosecuting the police officers who launched the grenade that almost killed a baby.

Good night everyone.

Welcome to the Ron Paul movement. Ain't it grand?

 

[specsaregood]

I just love how I'm not ever "extreme enough" on these issues for people here, even though I've advocated legalizing all drugs on this thread, advocated demilitarizing the police, and advocated firing and prosecuting the police officers who launched the grenade that almost killed a baby.

Good night everyone.

Well since I used a Sen. Paul quote on you the other day, I might as well do it again:

“If I try to be a pretty good libertarian I get attacked by the left, by the right, and by the libertarians.” --Sen. Paul
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/27/my-coffee-klatch-with-rand-paul.html

 

[Mani]

Do you like how he lists the 3 or 4 incidents of cops getting shot at to show how dangerous their line of work is?


And yet if you tried to list all the incidents of cops raping, shooting, killing, beating, people and family pets, the list would probably go on and on and on and never end.




Like seriously? You are going to pull out your cry me a river, see how dangerous it is to be a cop list? Are you really going to go with that?

Can we list every dog killed during that time span? Every mundane beaten, killed or roughed up? Every person pulled over for no reason to be harassed and abused and dragged out of their car? Every person tased for noncompliance because your commands are like the word of God and must be followed or get whats deserved. And every woman who is raped, assaulted, threatened, or have her skirt felt up because of supposed drugs? Or every girl tackled for not listening and running away from perverted power tripping cops? Every mundane executed for "fear of your safety" and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.


I'd like to compare the two lists and see how it looks afterwards.


Give me a fucking break.

 

[tod evans]

The militarization of the police is another factor in why those kind of events keep happening, which has primarily occurred because of the federal program in which excess military equipment is donated to police departments across the country.

"Militarization" commonly refers to the gear used...

The attitude taught to, and the behaviors fostered by the street cops superiors are what I blame out of control kops on..

The kops are at fault, no doubt, but I do not absolve their superiors or the media......

 

[Spikender]

I'm glad to see that Ferguson continues to wake people up to the Police State.

It's sad that incidents such as Kelly Thomas, the Wiimote kid getting shot, the walking cane guy getting shot, Dorner, and others didn't do it sooner, but I'll excuse John and Jane Doe is they're usually pretty slow.

 

[torchbearer]

Trust me, it's not just about Ferguson. It's "a long train of abuses and usurpations."

/thread

 

[fisharmor]

And yet if you tried to list all the incidents of cops raping, shooting, killing, beating, people and family pets, the list would probably go on and on and on and never end.

Then add one or two.
Get on the comments of the article and say something.

My addition:

Listen, genius, the "reckless reporting by nearly every news outlet" has done nothing for cops but FAVORS. Because baby Bou-Bou getting his face melted off by your fellow stormtroopers in Georgia, and your fellow stormtroopers refusing any culpability and refusing to pay his nearly million dollars in medical bills - none of that was reported on a national level.Because 7-year-old Aiyana Jones getting shot in the head in front of her grandmother by your fellow stormtroopers in Detroit, and your fellow stormtroopers actually using the Nuremberg defense TWICE in trial now (I know you don't know this, but that defense was deemed void by international law in 1947)... that's not being reported on a national level, either.
Because every time your fellow stormtroopers gun down a special needs child or a Sunday School teacher or a deaf guy - these aren't wild accusations, they're all people with names - again, that's not being reported on a national level.
No, they're focusing on punk kids who were stepping out of line, like Michael Brown and Trayvon. They're giving you the wiggle room you need to claim the moral high ground and continue to murder women and children with impugnity.
If Americans knew about all of these other cases, they wouldn't doubt you, they'd FIRE YOU. And all your fellow stormtroopers as well. If YOU knew about all these other cases, maybe you wouldn't be so tempted to defend yourself in print. And if Americans knew you didn't know of these other cases - or worse, that you do know and don't care - they wouldn't be after your job, they'd be after your head.