Please Stop the Gary Johnson Threads!

[rockandrollsouls]

Don't even bother with her. All she does is preach. Joined 2 years ago and has posted almost 50,000 times. Tells you who should be fighting for the cause of liberty and judges but doesn't do it herself.

Only RP is adequate in her mind.

NAME ONE, who qualifies in your mind.

'Cuz it sure as hell isn't Rick Santorum.

 

[LibertyEagle]

A bit of a conflicting statement here. You defended Justin Amash on his awful vote for unlimited Israeli aid, yet we have another candidate of liberty who wouldn't have voted for that and you and others want to crucify him.

Somewhat of a double standard, no? I don't see what many of you have against GJ. We all know he's not RP, but a lot of us also recognize he isn't bought and paid for by the bankers/MIC.

No conflict at all. What is a conflict, however, is to use a forum bearing Ron Paul's name to promote a competing presidential candidate, while Ron Paul is STILL in the race.

It's common sense, really. Or should be.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Don't even bother with her. All she does is preach. Joined 2 years ago and has posted almost 50,000 times. Tells you who should be fighting for the cause of liberty and judges but doesn't do it herself.

Only RP is adequate in her mind.

Wow. I'm surprised you took that tack.

Tell me, how many calls did YOU or cheapie make for Ron Paul? Eh? I know cheapie didn't, because she does not even support Ron Paul. Sailingaway, on the other hand, in addition to doing this thankless, unpaid, moderating job, spent a great deal of time making calls for Ron Paul.

You chose allies, poorly.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't see anyone suggesting we choose GJ over RP. Rather, I see liberty lovers attempting to put a contingency plan together in the event of a worst case scenario. Can you tell me what's wrong with that? Who here is saying "I'm promoting GJ over RP," because I don't see it.

Suppose Ron Paul doesn't get the nod. Maybe we should know where we can show numbers in the voice of the liberty movement.Maybe some people don't want their write-in's to be discarded. Maybe some people would not vote for Romney, no matter who endorses him or who he has on the ticket.

You are being overly sensitive. Most people here are still fighting, and a portion of those people see GJ as a viable candidate if things don't work out. I don't see anything wrong with that.


And on a side note, you're absolutely wrong for defending Amash. His response to the whole ordeal just shows he's a weak willed individual. When Ron was challenged on his initial capital punishment stance he didn't cry and whine. He took a close look at his views and his votes and reassessed his position. It's the one thing he's actually changed his position on. Amash should follow his lead.

No conflict at all. What is a conflict, however, is to use a forum bearing Ron Paul's name to promote a competing presidential candidate, while Ron Paul is STILL in the race.

It's common sense, really. Or should be.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I've siphoned more money than you make in a year to liberty candidates and PACs. I've made calls, worked within my state, and am even considering running for office. However, I also understand the power of the elites in the party and I've done it methodically and cautiously. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

And it's not unpaid when you can use the position to thrust your opinion down the throat of others, which she's done.

Wow. I'm surprised you took that tack.

Tell me, how many calls did YOU or cheapie make for Ron Paul? Eh? I know cheapie didn't, because she does not even support Ron Paul. Sailingaway, on the other hand, in addition to doing this thankless, unpaid, moderating job, spent a great deal of time making calls for Ron Paul.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't see anyone suggesting we choose GJ over RP. Rather, I see liberty lovers attempting to put a contingency plan together in the event of a worst case scenario. Can you tell me what's wrong with that? Who here is saying "I'm promoting GJ over RP," because I don't see it.

Suppose Ron Paul doesn't get the nod. Maybe we should know where we can show numbers in the voice of the liberty movement.Maybe some people don't want their write-in's to be discarded. Maybe some people would not vote for Romney, no matter who endorses him or who he has on the ticket.

You are being overly sensitive. Most people here are still fighting, and a portion of those people see GJ as a viable candidate if things don't work out. I don't see anything wrong with that.


And on a side note, you're absolutely wrong for defending Amash. His response to the whole ordeal just shows he's a weak willed individual. When Ron was challenged on his initial capital punishment stance he didn't cry and whine. He took a close look at his views and his votes and reassessed his position. It's the one thing he's actually changed his position on. Amash should follow his lead.

That's your opinion. It is not mine.

By the way, I never agreed with his vote, but I thought it was stupid to throw him away because of ONE vote. Especially, when all the others were so good. We should have told him we didn't like it, but the incessant immature insults were over-the-top.

Oh, and Ron Paul doesn't tend his own Facebook page. Justin DOES and face it, he is much more accessible than Ron Paul. So to take pot shots at him for doing so, is really uncalled for.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I've siphoned more money than you make in a year to liberty candidates and PACs. I've made calls, worked within my state, and am even considering running for office. However, I also understand the power of the elites in the party and I've done it methodically and cautiously. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

You have no idea what I make or what I have donated, bud. So you can stick your pontificating tongue back in your mouth.

And it's not unpaid when you can use the position to thrust your opinion down the throat of others, which she's done.

You know, I have always respected you, but you are really out of line, here.

If it wasn't for SailingAway, this forum would have gone COMPLETELY in the toilet. And yes, that is my opinion.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Both you and Sailingaway don't seem to realize Ron will not be carrying the torch forever. I, for one, will be voting for any liberty candidate and the one's that get in office I WILL hold accountable, and if they can't handle the heat, like Amash obviously can't, we'll replace them.

Is that who you want in office? An individual that is so weak willed he caves to his colleagues and then cries and threatens to quit when he is challenged on his vote? What are we supposed to do, feel bad and play nice and let them keep making terrible votes? Last I checked, Ron never caved under pressure like Amash did. I don't think Rand will. I know Massie won't, and I know a lot of the other candidates we are putting in office won't.

What's out of line is bashing candidates that are trying to take the country back. GJ is one of those candidates, whether you like it or not. And whether you like it or not, Ron probably won't get the nod, and it won't be for lack of us trying. It will be because the establishment fights him at every turn, cheats, lies, and steals.

If Ron isn't on the ballot and I know my write ins are getting tossed in the trash, you can be damn sure I'm getting a coalition of people to make my voice heard by speaking through another liberty candidate.

I'll always vote for a liberty candidate in the republican party, but I'll never sacrifice principle for party. I think GJ is a liberty candidate and if Ron doesn't get the nod I'll strongly consider putting my vote behind him.

You have no idea what I make or what I have donated, bud. So you can stick your pontificating tongue back in your mouth.


You know, I have always respected you, but you are really out of line, here.

If it wasn't for SailingAway, this forum would have gone COMPLETELY in the toilet. And yes, that is my opinion.

 

[sailingaway]

NAME ONE, who qualifies in your mind.

'Cuz it sure as hell isn't Rick Santorum.

Looks like I am going to have to move this for infighting....

No, it isn't Rick Santorum.. In my mind it is a fallacy that if Ron is the only one senior enough to be sure of on principles we 'until we get as good' we have to back people we don't think are good. That gives no incentive to BE as good as Ron.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Both you and Sailingaway don't seem to realize Ron will not be carrying the torch forever.

I don't think anyone believes that.

I, for one, will be voting for any liberty candidate and the one's that get in office I WILL hold accountable, and if they can't handle the heat, like Amash obviously can't, we'll replace them.

I agree that we must hold them accountable. But, I am not about to throw Amash out over this one vote. That is simply ridiculous. It makes much more sense to replace the people who always vote horribly. There are tons of them.

Is that who you want in office? An individual that is so weak willed he caves to his colleagues and then cries and threatens to quit when he is challenged on his vote? What are we supposed to do, feel bad and play nice and let them keep making terrible votes? Last I checked, Ron never caved under pressure like Amash did. I don't think Rand will. I know Massie won't, and I know a lot of the other candidates we are putting in office won't.

I never said he was perfect. But, it's stupid to cast someone aside for ONE vote. Truly.

What's out of line is bashing candidates that are trying to take the country back. GJ is one of those candidates, whether you like it or not. And whether you like it or not, Ron probably won't get the nod, and it won't be for lack of us trying. It will be because the establishment fights him at every turn, cheats, lies, and steals.

Ron Paul is STILL running for president. While he is, this is not the place to promote other presidential candidates. You can always start another forum to do just that, if you want to, though.

If Ron isn't on the ballot and I know my write ins are getting tossed in the trash, you can be damn sure I'm getting a coalition of people to make my voice heard by speaking through another liberty candidate.

Makes sense to me.

I'll always vote for a liberty candidate in the republican party, but I'll never sacrifice principle for party. I think GJ is a liberty candidate and if Ron doesn't get the nod I'll strongly consider putting my vote behind him.

It's your vote, so it's your decision.

 

[Respect38]

No conflict at all. What is a conflict, however, is to use a forum bearing Ron Paul's name to promote a competing presidential candidate, while Ron Paul is STILL in the race.

It's common sense, really. Or should be.

What? Ron Paul isn't in the race in our hypothetical scenario.

Please explain.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Once again, no one has promoted Johnson over Ron while Ron is still in the race. I've asked you to show me one shred of credible evidence stating an individual would be voting for GJ if Ron was still in the race. You haven't showed me a thing and you still continue to trumpet the fabricated notion. What you're saying simply isn't true.

It's already been shown you and SailingAway personally don't like GJ, and you're entitled to that, but don't fabricate false stories and scenarios in an event to further your own personal feelings.

As for Justin Amash, you'll see I never condoned any of the insults towards him. However, it just goes to show how weak willed he is. To be bent by the majority to vote one way is sad enough. To not have the spine to take responsibility for your vote and cry over it is even sadder. As I said, I would not necessarily have purged him from the House over that one vote. However, his reasoning behind it and weak will make me more inclined to do so. If you can't defend your vote, and you're so easily bent by public opinion, it shows you shouldn't be there.

Keep in mind, he admitted it was a vote based on personal feeling. He has an oath to vote according to the Constitution. He's already violated his oath. If you don't always keep that oath in mind and can't rationalize your vote according to the Constitution, you shouldn't be there. That's the issue. It's not that he voted according to an interpretation of the Constitution. He blatantly disregarded it.

I don't think anyone believes that.


I agree that we must hold them accountable. But, I am not about to throw Amash out over this one vote. That is simply ridiculous. It makes much more sense to replace the people who always vote horribly. There are tons of them.


I never said he was perfect. But, it's stupid to cast someone aside for ONE vote. Truly.


Ron Paul is STILL running for president. While he is, this is not the place to promote other presidential candidates. You can always start another forum to do just that, if you want to, though.


Makes sense to me.


It's your vote, so it's your decision.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron is still in the race.

YOu are promoting Johnson.

the word 'over' is not in LE's post.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Again, show me one sentence where someone said "I'm voting for GJ if Ron is still in the race."

I'm patiently waiting.

And, once more, your personal vendetta against Johnson is not flattering. I'm sure most people here aren't fond of you twisting their words to support it.

Ron is still in the race.

YOu are promoting Johnson.

the word 'over' is not in LE's post.

 

[tttppp]

Ron is still in the race.

YOu are promoting Johnson.

the word 'over' is not in LE's post.

I don't see what the problem is with people talking about Gary Johnson. For one, the Ron Paul campaign said they were no longer actively campaigning. I found this to be a dumb move because it was obvious the media would twist the words into Ron Paul is pulling out. That said, it probably killed his chances getting the nomination. Second, Ron Paul has stated over and over again that he doesn't want to run third party. If Ron Paul doesn't want to run third party then we have to look out there and see what our choices are. There should be a honest discussion about whether Gary Johnson or someone else is worth a vote.

 

[cheapseats]

It's all capricious and contrived anyway, soooo . . . everyone must get from Los Angeles to New York City or die.

The Republican wing of Ron Paul Support (granted, following Ron Paul's lead) chooses the Republican Party as their vehicle. It has bells and whistles and is more comfortable. Everyone who isn't an icky Democrat/Socialist/Commie PREFERS that vehicle. True, we're actually in the vehicle's SIDECAR but, when the grownups aren't looking, we will snatch the keys and the steering wheel...wait 'n see.

Bon voyage!! Hope you make it!! No, we will not pay for your gas...we already told you we're taking different transportation. You liberally insult us, yet cannot accept that we refuse to associate with some of the people with whom you roll. We refuse to help them.

Awww, your vehicle broke down? What a shame! You were doing so well, too . . . until Ron Paul theatrically fumbled the Newsletters, then disappeared right before Iowa. Where people who'd been working on this election since LAST election were suddenly told NOT to Watch The Vote, with COUNT CHAOS prevailing ever since.

What's that? The Red Meanies and the Media Meanies ran you off the road and left you in a ditch? We know. We saw, from the distance at which you keep us. There are some bona fide Bad Guys in this game, no doubt about it.

Wanna ride with us?

NO FUCKIN' WAY, YOU TURNCOATS! IF YOU WOULD GET OFF YOUR ASSES & FLAIL INEFFECTUALLY LIKE WE ARE, MAYBE WE'D FLAIL EFFECTUALLY. IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GAS MONEY. IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT WE BROKE DOWN. IF YOU WANNA HELP US, HALT ALL FORWARD PROGRESS AND EVERYBODY PITCH IN ON GETTING THIS SIDECAR TO RUN ON ITS OWN, NOW THAT THE BIG GLEAMING REPUBLICAN SEDAN HAS MOVED ON WITHOUT US...WE'LL SHOW THEM!!

 

[Respect38]

Ron is still in the race.

YOu are promoting Johnson.

the word 'over' is not in LE's post.

I'm promoting Gary Johnson over a write-in Ron Paul vote, I fail to see how it's a problem considering that I'm giving reasons for such.

Never before have I said anything that would make someone want to vote for Gary Johnson over Republican nominee Ron Paul, that would be foolish in all regards.

In fact, I could say that y'all are the ones that have brought up any topics that could make someone like Gary Johnson politically, as while my reasons have been based on, "well, doing this would help out the Libertarian Party, and therefore future libertarians, so lets do that!", while y'all have had an argument of, "well, I don't like their candidate, Gary Johnson, for *political reason*, *political reason*, and *political reason*, so why would I vote for him?"

We're both making arguments, but few of us are making arguments that actually counter the others'.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm pretty sure if you vote for Johnson over a write in RP vote, that RP wouldn't be in the race anymore (name not on the ballot.) Maybe sailingaway doesn't understand that?

 

[cheapseats]

Wow. I'm surprised you took that tack.

Tell me, how many calls did YOU or cheapie make for Ron Paul? Eh? I know cheapie didn't, because she does not even support Ron Paul. Sailingaway, on the other hand, in addition to doing this thankless, unpaid, moderating job, spent a great deal of time making calls for Ron Paul.

You chose allies, poorly.

I know how distasteful it is for you to agree with me, but you'll agree that you FREELY INSULT ME...or you'll look DISHONEST.

I believe that, on balance, you are an asset to the Republican Party, a wash in the Ron Paul Campaign, and a detriment to Liberty.

Consider How Many Times The Moovement Has Been Fooled, 7/31/11

All I'm saying is, CONSIDER IT.

I have many many many times heard respected Posters on this Board "speak" of Ron Paul being stabbed in the back by this Poltico, that Network, this Anchor, that Newspaper.

I have been majorly tuned into the Debt Drama, which has been interspersed with tips of the hat to the next presidential campaign. Not once in a blue moon, not occasionally, REGULARLY, Mainstream Media Talking Heads don't even MENTION Ron Paul's name when they start slicing and dicing Republican candidates.

I actually believe the man has a shot at it, IN SPITE not because of himself and his supporters. Things are "simply" that bad. THAT BAD always constitutes opportunity for some people.

I've spent some YEARS now as a Political Junkie and, lousy bedside manner notwithstanding, I'm pretty good at this game.

The game is HARDBALL.

There are EXCHANGE MESSAGES & FEEL GOOD boards. There are KICK ASS & TAKE NO PRISONERS boards. If this one is more of a cozy, safe place for The Marginalized to commiserate and encourage, that's terrific . . . part of America's Mental Health arsenal.

BUT THAT WON'T GET RON PAUL ELECTED.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Been-Fooled&highlight=Times+Moovement+Fooled

That was NEARLY A YEAR AGO. Barring the proverbial miracle, the jig is up for a Ron Paul presidency.

I'm sorry? I TOLD YOU SO?? Whaddya want from me? PLAY ALONG WITH THE CHARADE or STFU . . . isn't that the "party line"?

The stiff-necked want the realistic to STAND STILL while the beloved but doomed train of the stiff-necked finishes a long slow wreck. It is absurd on its face . . . MAKE NO PLANS FOR YOUR OWN WELL-BEING UNTIL WE CAN ASSESS OUR OWN DAMAGE...WHICH WE HAVE NOT FINISHED SELF-INFLICTING, EVEN IF OLD GUARD REPUBLICANS AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARE FINISHED GANG-BANGING US.

 

[Nathan Hale]

As they say - hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. It's fine to pine for a Paul nomination, but since that's likely not in the cards, it's foolish for us to not talk about our options.

To offer a more global concern - the worst thing that ever happened to this movement was the cult of personality that grew around Paul, a cult of personality that Paul himself warned against because he saw it starting. This board should still be Liberty Forest, and it should be about the liberty movement as a whole.