PayPal Bans YouTube Competitor Bitchute Without Explanation

[enhanced_deficit]

The Trump administration isn't doing this, "private" corporations are.

Do you really believe that?
Why do you think Trump's twitter account is still active (even after he bombed Syria) but Alex Jones has been banned everywhere following his anti-Syria-bombing/anti-Trump rant?

PayPal billionaire Peter Thiel 'becoming key Donald Trump adviser'
PayPal founder's employees reportedly refer to him as 'the shadow president'
Sunday 26 February 2017

 

[Swordsmyth]

The alternative to the options I laid out is to see the left enthroned as a new aristocracy, not the kind of unicorn riding, libertarianism loving aristocracy that you dream about but a micromanaging, rabble bribing, socialism loving aristocracy that isn't ruled by a single king who according to you would have incentives to move towards the free market but is instead divided into permanently squabbling tribes that struggle to control an ever more powerful government to profit by stealing from us and eachother.
In short it is the negative image of your utopia and ought to frighten you to death, making everyone play by the same rules until we can repeal the rules entirely should be seen as near heaven by comparison.

There are actually 2 other alternatives.

1 an armed revolution that includes an element of redistribution of property to rectify the stolen wealth that has enabled such domination of the government and marketplace.

Very dangerous and to be avoided while there are ANY other options


2 the public option, create a money storage/transfer system run by the Post Office or the Treasury Department that is required to serve everyone.

This would leave the "private" corporations to do as they pleased while preventing the left from creating a Neo-Feudal mark of the beast system where anyone they don't like is unpersoned BUT it is expanding the role of government.


Just whistling in the wind while those who rule us enact tyranny through "private" government subsidized corporations that are protected from competition by government WILL NOT WORK NOR IS IT LIBERTARIAN, and calling for libertarian solutions while we are a tiny minority IS WHISTLING IN THE WIND.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Do you really believe that?
Why do you think Trump's twitter account is still active (even after he bombed Syria) but Alex Jones has been banned everywhere following his anti-Syria-bombing/anti-Trump rant?

PayPal billionaire Peter Thiel 'becoming key Donald Trump adviser'
PayPal founder's employees reportedly refer to him as 'the shadow president'
Sunday 26 February 2017

Do they agree on everything?
Do they plan everything together?
Is Ron Paul guilty by association with Thiel as well?

 

[William Tell]

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horse$#@!.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

Wow, that's even more severe than building a wall!

 

[Dangergirl]

That actually is exactly how a FREE market works. In your example, you don't have a right to the frosting company's product. They don't have to sell it to you or price it as you decide unless they have entered into a binding contract with you. They can have any reason they wish, or none at all. Just because you don't like it does not entitle you to frosting, or PayPal. It's not a human right. Unless there is a contract specifically requiring PayPal to give proper cause for termination, that is what they can do. Do business with someone else, make your own or encourage like minded people to create a business which matches your needs.

Yes there is a contract because you're in business with them yet you believe it's ok for them to break a contract because they like Chevy's and you drive a Ford. This to you is a "free market" decision. It is not. With what's happening now, you would kiss the guys ass and sell your Ford because he used the government, media, and regulations to monopolize the frosting market while labeling you a racist Ford driving Nazi that no one wants to be associated with.

Rev3, you have the needle and thread in hand but you miss the eye of the argument. You seem to think anything goes as long as the government doesn't do it. Only the government must follow Constitutional Law but private entities can do whatever they want to trample individual rights. Tyranny is ok as long as the ruling class is a privatized regime. The political monopolies have already been established, even subsidized by government. The market is rigged and eroding. What do we do now? We can talk to "them" and try to reason and sell the American ideas of freedom and maybe they will see where they went wrong and give up their evil ways. But things have gotten worse because they've become threatened. It's the ruling class, the globalists, the deep state whatever term you prefer to give "them", they're not letting go. When do you say enough is enough and take a stand?

 

[Suzanimal]

As much as it pains me to admit it, Rev3 is right.

The substantive issue is quite simple.

PayPal is a private enterprise which is (or ought to be) free to dispose of its property as it pleases: do business (or not) with whom it pleases.

And that is the end of the story, or ought to be.

But the class of persons who inhabit this forum these days don't know/care about such things.

He's also right here. I probably would shoot him.

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horseshit.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

 

[specsaregood]

As much as it pains me to admit it, Rev3 is right.

So you agree with him then that having a law that only protects special classes of people from such discrimination is better than having a law that protects everybody from the same discrimination?

Because we do NOT currently live in an environment where private enterprise is free to do as it pleases.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What is government? The people who rule you.
If the oligarchs have stolen enough wealth and surreptitious control of government to own everything and suppress competition through "private" government subsidized corporations and then begin to rule us using those corporations do they not become the government and subject to the restrictions on government?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The alternative to the options I laid out is...a micromanaging, rabble bribing, socialism loving aristocracy...divided into permanently squabbling tribes that struggle to control an ever more powerful government to profit by stealing from us and each other.

So, in other words, the current situation..

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, in other words, the current situation..

Much worse.

 

[Suzanimal]

So you agree with him then that having a law that only protects special classes of people from such discrimination is better than having a law that protects everybody from the same discrimination?

Because we do NOT currently live in an environment where private enterprise is free to do as it pleases.

How about neither? Outside of enforcing contracts, government should have no say in who does business with who.

Is there current legislation to make it law that no one can be discriminated against? I sure as hell hope not. I really don't think the solution is to triple down on fuckery.

I believe in property rights and I believe in freedom of association. It's as simple as that.

 

[Suzanimal]

How is this situation free market? It's being 100% manipulated, not by government but by corporate agenda. I don't see how this is free market.

Suppose you own a cake shop and you bake great cakes in a great profitable location, that line you quote insinuates you will be successful because of your own destiny. But suppose your frosting supplier decides they don't want to sell to you anymore because you drive a Ford and their owner likes Chevy's. How can you still be successful with no frosting? Your argument in this thread is that it's ok even though Ford and Chevy have nothing to do with the supply chain or services agreed between your cake company and the frosting supplier. That is discrimination.

This is the case with Paypal and Bitchute. Bitchute did not ask for special treatment like non-gender binary financial services from Paypal, they took the services that Paypal offered to everyone. Paypal in turn decided to deny them for no apparent reason and that to you is free market?

I don't get the reasoning here.

Yes, once upon a time a Christian baker refused to bake a gay wedding cake. He did not refuse to sell a gay couple a cake. They were free to take what he offered, or not. That is free market.

Yes. That is exactly what a free market is.

In a free society, business owners, like homeowners, would have the right to run their businesses as they choose, including the right to refuse service. And that’s not all. In a free society, business owners would have the right to discriminate in their place of business on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, age, gender, height, weight, disability, attire, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic status, political preference, religious piety, national origin, appearance, odor, sexual orientation, or anything else, whether logical or illogical, reasonable or unreasonable, rational or irrational. It couldn’t be any other way and really be a free society.

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/the-right-to-refuse-service/

 

[Swordsmyth]

How about neither? Outside of enforcing contracts, government should have no say in who does business with who.

Is there current legislation to make it law that no one can be discriminated against? I sure as hell hope not. I really don't think the solution is to triple down on $#@!ery.

I believe in property rights and I believe in freedom of association. It's as simple as that.

How do we get where you want to go?

Will allowing the left full freedom while letting them restrict everyone else get us there?

 

[specsaregood]

How about neither? Outside of enforcing contracts, government should have no say in who does business with who.

Me neither, but do you really see that happening, ever?

In the current environment some groups are more equal than others. And I dislike that even more.

 

[Suzanimal]

Me neither, but do you really see that happening, ever?

In the current environment some groups are more equal than others. And I dislike that even more.

No. Not in my lifetime.

I dislike it, too. It sucks ass but I was just sitting here thinking about what it would mean for me if no one could be discriminated against. How many bathrooms would have to be installed in the bar to accommodate all the fucking genders out there? We would go broke.

Not being able to discriminate doesn't just effect (affect? I never get those right) Paypal - it would e(a)ffect every single business owner and you know it would be taken to the extreme. It would be so much worse than it is now.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I really don't think the solution is to triple down on fuckery.

Well then you obviously hate freedom, America, and puppies.

 

[Suzanimal]

How do we get where you want to go?

I wish I had the answer.

Will allowing the left full freedom while letting them restrict everyone else get us there?

Of course not. I've never advocated for that but do you really think making everyone a protected class is the solution? You're just handing the douche bags more control than they already have.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course not. I've never advocated for that but do you really think making everyone a protected class is the solution? You're just handing the douche bags more control than they already have.

They have more power when they and their base are more equal than everyone else.

 

[Suzanimal]

They have more power when they and their base are more equal than everyone else.

Yes and with a handful of exceptions, they also control the government. Why on earth would you want to give them more power? If everyone's a protected class, where does it end?

I resent the fact that anyone thinks they have the right to tell me who I can and cannot do business with. SMDH

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes and with a handful of exceptions, they also control the government. Why on earth would you want to give them more power? If everyone's a protected class, where does it end?

I resent the fact that anyone thinks they have the right to tell me who I can and cannot do business with. SMDH

They already tell us who we must do business with and then turn around and use their ability to not do business with anyone they please to gain even more power, they will use that power to continue to tell you who you must do business with.

The existence of a leftists aristocracy is just as bad as the government telling you who to do business with.