PayPal Bans YouTube Competitor Bitchute Without Explanation

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump "Freedom Medal" is probably in the works for PayPal founder for next year.

 

[Wooden Indian]

You want the state to punish PayPal for shutting down your friends.

You switched this around, R3v.

THEY seek to PUNISH those that would stand against the perverse.

By cutting off the ability to buy and sell- THEY are shutting THEIR ENEMIES down. Enemies that look an awful lot like you and me.

 

[TheCount]

If Paypal gets away with arbitrarily cancelling a person's account, then what will stop any other payment services from doing the exact same thing?

Nothing.

 

[donnay]

Nothing.

Well get used to having nothing, because if Paypal gets away with this, others will follow suit and you will have no legal recourse to buy or sell.

Christians need to pay close attention to these signs.

 

[dannno]

This bears repeating (and repeating and repeating):



/thread

What free market?

5:50



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528468-Rand-Paul-on-CNN-11-15

 

[TheCount]

Well get used to having nothing, because if Paypal gets away with this, others will follow suit and you will have no legal recourse to buy or sell.

Is your belief that the government should force businesses to provide services to people that you like restricted to just the banking sector, or does it apply to all things?

If I were to search through your post history to find your opinions on forcing bakers to make gay wedding cakes, what would I find?

 

[Anti Federalist]

You want the state to punish PayPal for shutting down your friends.

Yes.

OR the state can abolish all banking controls and regulations thus allowing myriad competitors into the market to fill the gap.

One or the other...decide.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well get used to having nothing, because if Paypal gets away with this, others will follow suit and you will have no legal recourse to buy or sell.

Christians need to pay close attention to these signs.

TheVampire will not have nothing, he is on their side.

The wages of sin can be quite lucrative in this life.

 

[donnay]

TheVampire will not have nothing, he is on their side.

The wages of sin can be quite lucrative in this life.

Ah... but our time here is but of a blink of an eye, that's what they don't seem to understand.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

You switched this around, R3v.

THEY seek to PUNISH those that would stand against the perverse.

By cutting off the ability to buy and sell- THEY are shutting THEIR ENEMIES down. Enemies that look an awful lot like you and me.

I don't need PayPal; if it never existed I would be experiencing a dramatically, radically, totally, ...unchanged world.

Who cares? ..maybe others feel differently.

But they have the right to serve whom they please anyway.

Your discomfort is not their need.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

If Paypal gets away with arbitrarily cancelling a person's account, then what will stop any other payment services from doing the exact same thing?

Do you use a bank?

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horseshit.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

 

[donnay]

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horse$#@!.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

Sounds like you're talking about open borders. We all have a natural right to protect ourselves.

 

[Wooden Indian]

I don't need PayPal; if it never existed I would be experiencing a dramatically, radically, totally, ...unchanged world.

Who cares? ..maybe others feel differently.

But they have the right to serve whom they please anyway.

Your discomfort is not their need.

I don't eat Kellogg's; were Kellogg's poisoned, it wouldn't effect me... I'm a Quaker oats man. LOL This kind of logic will always befuddle me.

You don't use PayPal, and I'm glad to hear that.

I guess that settles it.







Just one thing... you're a Visa Card man, then? Mastercard, perhaps?

Ah, no, no. Of course not. A man like yourself would never stoop so low as to trade in anything but good old greenbacks- cash money... but a fiat man, just the same.

That is unless.. could it be... you trade exclusively in precious metals. Silver bars and gold bullion, is that it? A secret handshake at Walgreens, and they tell you how many ounces of silver that box of Magnum condoms will set you back, I bet. Did I guess right?

Oh, nevertheless... I'm being silly. You're not directly affected- so who cares, amirite?

 

[Dangergirl]

This bears repeating (and repeating and repeating):

The free market doesn't guarantee businesses that you like will succeed, it only guarantees profitable businesses will succeed.[/thread

How is this situation free market? It's being 100% manipulated, not by government but by corporate agenda. I don't see how this is free market.

Suppose you own a cake shop and you bake great cakes in a great profitable location, that line you quote insinuates you will be successful because of your own destiny. But suppose your frosting supplier decides they don't want to sell to you anymore because you drive a Ford and their owner likes Chevy's. How can you still be successful with no frosting? Your argument in this thread is that it's ok even though Ford and Chevy have nothing to do with the supply chain or services agreed between your cake company and the frosting supplier. That is discrimination.

This is the case with Paypal and Bitchute. Bitchute did not ask for special treatment like non-gender binary financial services from Paypal, they took the services that Paypal offered to everyone. Paypal in turn decided to deny them for no apparent reason and that to you is free market?

I don't get the reasoning here.

Yes, once upon a time a Christian baker refused to bake a gay wedding cake. He did not refuse to sell a gay couple a cake. They were free to take what he offered, or not. That is free market.

 

[BrooklynZoo]

...suppose your frosting supplier decides they don't want to sell to you anymore because you drive a Ford and their owner likes Chevy's. Your argument in this thread is that it's ok even though Ford and Chevy have nothing to do with the supply chain or services agreed between your cake company and frosting.

This is the case with Paypal and Bitchute. Bitchute did not ask for a special non-gender binary service from Paypal, they took the services that Paypal offered. Paypal in turn decided to deny them for no apparent reason and that to you is free market?

I don't get the reasoning here.

That actually is exactly how a FREE market works. In your example, you don't have a right to the frosting company's product. They don't have to sell it to you or price it as you decide unless they have entered into a binding contract with you. They can have any reason they wish, or none at all. Just because you don't like it does not entitle you to frosting, or PayPal. It's not a human right. Unless there is a contract specifically requiring PayPal to give proper cause for termination, that is what they can do. Do business with someone else, make your own or encourage like minded people to create a business which matches your needs.

 

[specsaregood]

That actually is exactly how a FREE market works. In your example, you don't have a right to the frosting company's product. They don't have to sell it to you or price it as you decide unless they have entered into a binding contract with you. They can have any reason they wish, or none at all. Just because you don't like it does not entitle you to frosting, or PayPal. It's not a human right. Unless there is a contract specifically requiring PayPal to give proper cause for termination, that is what they can do. Do business with someone else, make your own or encourage like minded people to create a business which matches your needs.

That is true; but we don't live in a FREE market as businesses are NOT free to do as they wish in many situations. The problem is the law not treating all the same. Either everybody should be part of the protected class, or none be protected.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't eat Kellogg's; were Kellogg's poisoned, it wouldn't effect me... I'm a Quaker oats man. LOL This kind of logic will always befuddle me.

You don't use PayPal, and I'm glad to hear that.

I guess that settles it.

...

Just one thing... you're a Visa Card man, then? Mastercard, perhaps?

Ah, no, no. Of course not. A man like yourself would never stoop so low as to trade in anything but good old greenbacks- cash money... but a fiat man, just the same.

That is unless.. could it be... you trade exclusively in precious metals. Silver bars and gold bullion, is that it? A secret handshake at Walgreens, and they tell you how many ounces of silver that box of Magnum condoms will set you back, I bet. Did I guess right?

Oh, nevertheless... I'm being silly. You're not directly affected- so who cares, amirite?

The substantive issue is quite simple.

PayPal is a private enterprise which is (or ought to be) free to dispose of its property as it pleases: do business (or not) with whom it pleases.

And that is the end of the story, or ought to be.

But the class of persons who inhabit this forum these days don't know/care about such things.

 

[specsaregood]

The substantive issue is quite simple.
PayPal is a private enterprise which is (or ought to be) free to dispose of its property as it pleases: do business (or not) with whom it pleases.
And that is the end of the story, or ought to be.

Yes it should be, but it isn't. Paypal is not allowed BY LAW to say "we don't want to do business with you because you are black, gay, a woman or a manatee.
And that is the problem, either they should have to serve everybody or let them be free to choose.

But the class of persons who inhabit this forum these days don't know/care about such things.

blah, blah, blah. the world is full of colors.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

How is this situation free market? It's being 100% manipulated, not by government but by corporate agenda.

Problems already....

Suppose you own a cake shop and you bake great cakes in a great profitable location, that line you quote insinuates you will be successful because of your own destiny. But suppose your frosting supplier decides they don't want to sell to you anymore because you drive a Ford and their owner likes Chevy's. How can you still be successful with no frosting?

If there's a free market (or anything resembling one) in frosting, I simply buy from another supplier.

...I also cuss out my supplier for being a jackass, of course, but respect his right to exercise his property rights.

Your argument in this thread is that it's ok even though Ford and Chevy have nothing to do with the supply chain or services agreed between your cake company and the frosting supplier. That is discrimination.

Correct

A synonym for discrimination would be choice.

This is the case with Paypal and Bitchute. Bitchute did not ask for special treatment like non-gender binary financial services from Paypal, they took the services that Paypal offered to everyone. Paypal in turn decided to deny them for no apparent reason and that to you is free market?

Correct

Yes, once upon a time a Christian baker refused to bake a gay wedding cake. He did not refuse to sell a gay couple a cake. They were free to take what he offered, or not. That is free market.

A free market would be the baker being free to "discriminate," i.e. choose with whom he likes to do business.

If he refuses otherwise valuable customers, he loses those customers to the competition, and the world turns.

There's no problem.

That actually is exactly how a FREE market works. In your example, you don't have a right to the frosting company's product. They don't have to sell it to you or price it as you decide unless they have entered into a binding contract with you. They can have any reason they wish, or none at all. Just because you don't like it does not entitle you to frosting, or PayPal. It's not a human right. Unless there is a contract specifically requiring PayPal to give proper cause for termination, that is what they can do. Do business with someone else, make your own or encourage like minded people to create a business which matches your needs.

Well put

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes it should be, but it isn't. Paypal is not allowed BY LAW to say "we don't want to do business with you because you are black, gay, a woman or a manatee.
And that is the problem, either they should have to serve everybody or let them be free to choose.

So, because private enterprise is currently hamstrung by some anti-discrimination laws, there ought to be more anti-discrimination laws?

...Also, since I identify as a manatee, my partner and I are now going to be suing you.