Paul vows push to defund Planned Parenthood next week

[69360]

Let folks kill their babies on their own dime, if they must.


PREVENT unwanted pregnancies.

Thing is that PP does that. I am against abortion, but think PP does do good with birth control. I don't see how you could designate how PP uses the funds they get though.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Thing is that PP does that. I am against abortion, but think PP does do good with birth control. I don't see how you could designate how PP uses the funds they get though.

All the more reason to cut them off ...

 

[Brett85]

Thing is that PP does that. I am against abortion, but think PP does do good with birth control. I don't see how you could designate how PP uses the funds they get though.

I would still be against funding Planned Parenthood even if they didn't perform abortions. We have a 18 trillion dollar debt, and funding for Planned Parenthood isn't authorized anywhere in the Constitution. The people who like Planned Parenthood can get their own check book out and write a check to them.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I would still be against funding Planned Parenthood even if they didn't perform abortions. We have a 18 trillion dollar debt, and funding for Planned Parenthood isn't authorized anywhere in the Constitution. The people who like Planned Parenthood can get their own check book out and write a check to them.

Agree. +rep

 

[tod evans]

I would still be against funding Planned Parenthood even if they didn't perform abortions. We have a 18 trillion dollar debt, and funding for Planned Parenthood isn't authorized anywhere in the Constitution. The people who like Planned Parenthood can get their own check book out and write a check to them.

Problem is there's lots more people who like government funded birth control than those who don't.

Given my druthers PP is only one area of government spending I'd cut and one of the smaller ones too.

I think you'd have better luck arguing on moral grounds than on financial ones.

 

[Origanalist]

Thing is that PP does that. I am against abortion, but think PP does do good with birth control. I don't see how you could designate how PP uses the funds they get though.

How many of those pregnancies would be unwanted without the propaganda being spewed by PP and the whole culture of death in this country?

 

[Brett85]

Problem is there's lots more people who like government funded birth control than those who don't.

Given my druthers PP is only one area of government spending I'd cut and one of the smaller ones too.

I think you'd have better luck arguing on moral grounds than on financial ones.

I would cut government spending across the board. I just wouldn't exempt Planned Parenthood from cuts, even if they didn't perform abortions.

 

[Occam's Banana]

How many of those pregnancies would be unwanted without the propaganda being spewed by PP and the whole culture of death in this country?

How dare you?! That is NOT an appropriate question for members of polite society, citizen! Noted and reported ...

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

It's kind of interesting how Democrats support Planned Parenthood. Because, realistically, wouldn't a ban on abortion greatly increase their voting base? (Considering how many aborted are black)

 

[euphemia]

Because it's to their advantage not to. If abortion ended tomorrow two serious problems arise for the GOP. The immediate one is that the GOP no longer has that issue to keep social conservatives to turn out and vote for them. The second is that, 18 years down the line, new voters from demographics that favor the Democratic Party, will be eligible to vote.

Crazy as it sounds, I've heard a Republican use the last one as an argument in favor of abortion.

I disagree. A lot of pro-life candidates have been elected who never did the first thing to end federal funding for abortion. Social conservatives are tired of being trotted out every four years and then told to go back home and be quiet until the next election. The first person that can actually bring about meaningful change will be someone who gets votes.

 

[euphemia]

The usual left-libertarians are out in force on Rand's Facebook page saying "Rand Paul isn't a libertarian since he wants to defund Planned Parenthood."

And of course this is lunacy. True libertarians take responsibility for their own actions. If they want abortion, go pay for it. It is not a legitimate role of government to fund abortion.

 

[asurfaholic]

The killing of the unborn is sick enough. Adding in the fact that the body parts are then being sold tells of a sickness that comes from people who place no value in human life, outside of how much profit can be extracted from each one.

Go Rand, take this issue head first. It is good enough to fire up the entire Bible Belt.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I keep getting hammered from the left with the argument that research from fetal tissue has given way to things like the polio vaccine. If Rand Paul is serious about taking this bull by the horns, he needs to be prepared for these sort of 'gotcha's!' I can see it now, "Rand Paul wants everyone to suffer from diseases like polio."

Maybe at a later point we need an ethical debate thread on this subject. I'm leaning towards thinking it's not ethical to end the life of one being, even if it might benefit millions. Some people worship at the altar of scientific progress. I'm trying to figure out where basic humanity towards one another fits into that equation. (Maybe it doesn't fit, in the liberal mindset, which is all about the collective good at the expense of the individual)

But I wonder if the American people are unfit to have such a debate on ethics at this time. Most are either too dumb, too distracted, or too selfish. And I'm too harsh.

 

[Crashland]

It's kind of interesting how Democrats support Planned Parenthood. Because, realistically, wouldn't a ban on abortion greatly increase their voting base? (Considering how many aborted are black)

Maybe they are pro-choice because of their principles and not political expediency?

 

[Unknownuser]

People can get free birth control without PP.

Problem is there's lots more people who like government funded birth control than those who don't.

Given my druthers PP is only one area of government spending I'd cut and one of the smaller ones too.

I think you'd have better luck arguing on moral grounds than on financial ones.

 

[KCIndy]

I'd throw in a $20 note for a "Condoms for Idiots" go-fund-me.

I would match ya on that one. Something tells me such a strategy would pay enormous dividends in the long run.

 

[Crashland]

They should attach the planned parenthood cut with a cut to something else that the GOP tends to like. Then, the true fiscal conservatives will be separated from the partisans.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

The usual left-libertarians are out in force on Rand's Facebook page saying "Rand Paul isn't a libertarian since he wants to defund Planned Parenthood."

Are these people actually identifying as libertarians, or are they merely broadly associated with the liberty movement?

 

[erowe1]

Hopefully he consults with Amash about the right way to go about this.

Don't go for some symbolic gesture where you just defund some specific named organization. Go for a law that does not allow any funds to be given to any organization that performs abortions, or that gets more than x% of its revenue from performing abortions or something.

 

[Brett85]

Are these people actually identifying as libertarians, or are they merely broadly associated with the liberty movement?

I don't know, but they're criticizing Rand for not being a libertarian for taking the position that Planned Parenthood shouldn't be funded.