Paul vows push to defund Planned Parenthood next week

This thread is another proof that atheists can't be principled libertarians. This is like the 3rd or 4th time in recent weeks that an issue arises where the clear libertarian solution is proposed and the atheists of the board reject it in favor of statism.

Atheists cannot be principled libertarians.
 
This thread is another proof that atheists can't be principled libertarians. This is like the 3rd or 4th time in recent weeks that an issue arises where the clear libertarian solution is proposed and the atheists of the board reject it in favor of statism.

Atheists cannot be principled libertarians.

Same goes for collectivists :).
 
The cartoon does not demonstrate how pro-choice people are pro choice because of political expediency rather than principle.

It was not offered as a demonstration (i.e., proof) of such. It was offered as an illustration (i.e., example) of the failure of many people who vehemently insist upon a "right to choose" with respect to abortion (whether they do so upon "principled" grounds or not) to grant that right in numerous other respects. Such linquistic and conceptual hypocrisy indicates either a lack of principle or a limited (and politically expedient) application of principle in the form of semantic opportunism. And this observation seems to be especially applicable with respect to "pro-choice" (and generally liberal) Democrats (who were, after all, the specific antecedents of the "they" to whom you referred - and not just any "pro-choice people"). Not to mention the fact that DA was ironically - and perhaps facetiously - commenting upon an ostensible lack of political expediency in Democrats' support of abortion ...

It's kind of interesting how Democrats support Planned Parenthood. Because, realistically, wouldn't a ban on abortion greatly increase their voting base? (Considering how many aborted are black)
Maybe they are pro-choice because of their principles and not political expediency?

(And "principle" is more nuanced than defending everything having to do with choice)

Who said anything about defending "everything" having to do with choice? In order to demonstrate the infelicity (not to mention the hypocrisy) of using "pro-choice" as a self-adopted label, it is sufficient to show that there are some number of things having to do with choice that self-proclaimed "pro-choicers" not only do not defend, but actively reject. If those who call themselves "pro-choice" don't like such accusations of hypocrisy or lack of principle, then they should choose some other label for themselves ...
 
This thread is another proof that atheists can't be principled libertarians. This is like the 3rd or 4th time in recent weeks that an issue arises where the clear libertarian solution is proposed and the atheists of the board reject it in favor of statism.

Atheists cannot be principled libertarians.

I am confused. What statist position are you referring to?
 
It was not offered as a demonstration (i.e., proof) of such. It was offered as an illustration (i.e., example) of the failure of many people who vehemently insist upon a "right to choose" with respect to abortion (whether they do so upon "principled" grounds or not) to grant that right in numerous other respects. Such linquistic and conceptual hypocrisy indicates either a lack of principle or a limited (and politically expedient) application of principle in the form of semantic opportunism. And this observation seems to be especially applicable with respect to "pro-choice" (and generally liberal) Democrats (who were, after all, the specific antecedents of the "they" to whom you referred - and not just any "pro-choice people"). Not to mention the fact that DA was ironically - and perhaps facetiously - commenting upon an ostensible lack of political expediency in Democrats' support of abortion ...





Who said anything about defending "everything" having to do with choice? In order to demonstrate the infelicity (not to mention the hypocrisy) of using "pro-choice" as a self-adopted label, it is sufficient to show that there are some number of things having to do with choice that self-proclaimed "pro-choicers" not only do not defend, but actively reject. If those who call themselves "pro-choice" don't like such accusations of hypocrisy or lack of principle, then they should choose some other label for themselves ...

I agree that pro choice is a poor label in that it does not really reflect the actual position. On the other hand, pro life is a pretty good label. The problem on the other side is that people have different reasons for supporting the legality of abortions, but pro-lifers pretty much all have the same reason for opposing it.
 
Do you support gay rights? Do you support public funding of education?

I don't think the government should be involved with marriage, I don't think bakeries should be forced to provide services for gay weddings, and I don't support federal spending for education.
 
I don't think the government should be involved with marriage, I don't think bakeries should be forced to provide services for gay weddings, and I don't support federal spending for education.

What do you think of global warming? You think children should be taught about creationism? Isn't that child abuse?
 
What do you think of global warming?

I think it is likely that global warming is occurring and that humans are at least partially contributing to it, but I don't support carbon taxes or other such measures. What is this, some kind of test and as soon as I have a position that you don't like you will call me unprincipled because I'm an atheist?
 
I think it is likely that global warming is occurring and that humans are at least partially contributing to it, but I don't support carbon taxes or other such measures. What is this, some kind of test and as soon as I have a position that you don't like you will call me unprincipled because I'm an atheist?

Yes. It's a test. Is teaching children creationism child abuse? Should government remove accreditation for colleges that teach creation? Should they be involved in that at all?
 
Yes. It's a test. Is teaching children creationism child abuse? Should government remove accreditation for colleges that teach creation? Should they be involved in that at all?

The government shouldn't be issuing accreditations in the first place. I don't care if creationism is covered as long as it is not paraded as a scientific theory, although at private institutions they can do whatever they want. Outside of school, teaching children creationism as truth is a family's prerogative, although I think it would do a disservice to the child to not teach at all about evolution, they should know what it is even if it is presented as a false theory.

I'm not going to humor you further, the thread can go back to original topic now.
 
The government shouldn't be issuing accreditations in the first place. I don't care if creationism is covered as long as it is not paraded as a scientific theory, although at private institutions they can do whatever they want. Outside of school, teaching children creationism as truth is a family's prerogative, although I think it would do a disservice to the child to not teach at all about evolution, they should know what it is even if it is presented as a false theory.

I'm not going to humor you further, the thread can go back to original topic now.

Ahhh. There was a little equivocation in that response, wasn't there?
 
Where's the discussion about a father's rights?

Please, you know how low the value of males in our society has dropped.

We're basically like drones in a bee hive. We mate with the queen and then the all-female worker bees push us out of the hive. That's the extent of our purpose.
 
Back
Top