Paul supporters 'freak out' town clerk

[worl]

My apologies, the last statement wasn't meant to be directed at you.

Just amazes me to see all the BS here lately. I totally agree with the sentiment and I'm frustrated about things myself, it's just the violence that OTHERS are suggesting is counter-productive and just adds to the lunatic label we have to carry around.

I don't think anyone is sugesting violence. What I would like to see is justice. We don't even know that anyone here even called this woman. There needs to be an investagation by an independant source.

 

[OrbitalGun]

Must have gotten carried away there, for a second. Don't know what I was thinking. I never was a very good student, though, and only attended public school (skew-all? not sure of the spelling) for a short time. So, maybe that's the problem.

VoluntaryMan it sounds like you need a time out

 

[Crickett]

Does anyone every say, "Yeah, we file 13'd Paul's votes. So what? He's a threat to the status quo, and his supporters scare me. I gave it a shot, and got caught. So, sue me"? Does anyone ever say that? No. Just like in prison, everybody is "innocent." "It was just a mistake, a simple oversight. Coulda happened to anyone." That's what you always hear. Well, I'm tired of public officials claiming incompetence as a defense to charges of corruption. There ought to be a special prison for "incompetent" public officials, and if that's "scaring" anyone, you can kiss my hairy @$$!

When will they realize that they are being watched. A zero was written in the field, not unintentionally left blank. I do not know if Call did it or not--but someone did. Paul supporters or not. Guess DK's supporters were watching and all 140 of Albert's, too. Guess LOTS of Americans are watching and that is FINE with me, and her darned whining should have said she was GLAD so many people were watching that a mere 31 votes not cast properly were uncovered. Every vote should COUNT. WE have nothing to apologise for, and neither do any other Americans.

 

[Edu]

You know, these people may think they are saving America.
They may do this just because the media paints a candidate as a "loon" or whatever, then they do this because it's their big chance to "save the world" and be a big hero.
I wonder if the media has researched this effect on people and know exactly what will happen.
You wouldn't have to pay people off or anything like that, they do your bidding without any connection at all. Very nice, very clean.
Patriotic people would probably do anything to stop a "threat" to what they perceive as bad for their country. Or at least do a little "fudging" of the numbers, a few there a few here...

 

[VoluntaryMan]

When will they realize that they are being watched. A zero was written in the field, not unintentionally left blank. I do not know if Call did it or not--but someone did. Paul supporters or not. Guess DK's supporters were watching and all 140 of Albert's, too. Guess LOTS of Americans are watching and that is FINE with me, and her darned whining should have said she was GLAD so many people were watching that a mere 31 votes not cast properly were uncovered. Every vote should COUNT. WE have nothing to apologise for, and neither do any other Americans.

Some people are surprised to discover that I'm a HUGE advocate of a surveillance culture: I believe we need to watch the gov't like a hawk; I support 24hr surveillance of every public official. I'm for cameras being placed in every squad car, and aimed at the officers.

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[FreedomFighter8008]

this really only begs one question, If Jennifer Call didn't write the wrong vote down, then:

WHO WROTE DOWN THE WRONG VOTE?

gimmie a name
Until she fesses up who forged the wrong tally for Paul, then she deserves every single little damn bit of hell she receives. Give her Hell till she Confesses who it was that forged the wrong tally. Dont dare let her weasel out with a plea for pity!

You are a moron. If Ron Paul doesn't get elected, I hold you and "supporters" like you partially to blame. Quiet, resolute competence and persistence gain far more than idiotic ranting ever will. You are hurting the campaign by your psychotic actions and you and others like you need to stop. Either act like a sane person or get out. Ron Paul doesn't need this kind of "support". There are ways to investigate and handle this issue that will effectively shine the spotlight on any fraud present. Instead, acting the way you do and, it sounds like some others did according to this article, the spotlight falls on you and any fraud present falls by the wayside. Idiots!

 

[parocks]

This was a simple clerical error. Nothing was forged. People make mistakes occasionally.

Thanks for making all of us look like nutjobs. Are there any "normal" people supporting Ron Paul? I'm really beginning to wonder. This kind of bullshit has to stop.

We're not talking about campaign volunteers here, unfortunately. I think we're talking about protesters.

The protester mentality turns ordinary voters off. Look at Manchester on Sunday. I'll admit it was sorta fun. I personally didn't enjoy it, but I liked that others did.

We like holding signs, marching around with signs, chanting slogans while holding signs. Anything we don't like is evidence that we're being screwed, and our response is always angry calls and letters and emails.

If Ron Paul supporters were actually in Sutton on Tuesday night watching them count the votes we could've pointed out the mistake right there on the spot. We were allowed to do so.

 

[CJP]

WHO WROTE DOWN THE WRONG VOTE?
gimmie a name
Until she fesses up who forged the wrong tally for Paul, then she deserves every single little damn bit of hell she receives. Give her Hell till she Confesses who it was that forged the wrong tally. Dont dare let her weasel out with a plea for pity!

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

It was an honest mistake and it doesn't matter. It's 31 votes.

Give her Hell till she Confesses

???

Goddammit, this is politics -- don't you idiots understand this?
Don't you know your rude, aggressive, shrill, insane, threatening tactics are bringing shame and embarrassment upon Dr. Paul and our movement?? Don't you know that in politics, you win by persuading other people to join your side?

Read the OP and the title of this thread, over and over if you need to, until you are able to figure out what this means. For those of you incapable of figuring it out, I'll tell you: It means you are harming the movement when you treat people badly in our name.

You need to fuckin' listen to what the sane people (with the movement and without) are telling you. Maybe they sane people in this movement are being too polite to you, because you apparently don't think anyone ever listens unless they are being yelled at, cursed, an harassed. This is why I have resorted to curse words and big fonts in this post. (To the rest of you, sorry for "shouting" -- that's not usually my style.)

I am so sick of this. Grow up!

 

[Dave Pedersen]

There have to be charges filed against anyone who failed to do their job. Reprimands or terminations are not sufficient incentive for people to stop taking the risk. This equation taken by people willingly to violate the public trust must be met with very stiff consequences. Without accurate vote counting we have no democratic process but something worse than blatant tyranny. We have tyranny successfully pretending to be what it is not. In the Soviet Union there was no doubt who was in charge. At least they were honest about it and people would know where they stood. Here people are deceived into believing their system is so good it must be forced on others at the point of a gun.

Crimes of this nature are the most heinous. They are worse than cases of murder. They are treasonous and jeopardize everything our fallen soldiers died for.

 

[PatriotOne]

The Town Clerk is not some minimum wage employee. She is an elected official. She is the chief election offical. She would have been overseeing the counting and recounting of the ballots. So for her to say:

"He's (Gill) reading off his results, I'm writing them down on the return," Call said. "I don't know why it was blank. I don't know if he skipped over it or if someone interrupted him to repeat the last name and it got skipped, or maybe I missed it. It was that simple."

Paul's 31 votes got lost in the shuffle, lost in translation between moderator Greg Hill's voice and Call's pen.

Is a lie. She would have known RP had gotten some votes because she would have seen them during the counting/recounting process.

This article is so typical when when the criminals are trying to hide something. They try to shift the focus and discredit the accusors and make them look like nuts. I have seen it a 1000 times!

A simple error this is not. No apology? Instead she calls us crazy for calling her out? This is the second most important day she has every 4 years and she can't get the results of a simple hand count right? She's the top election official for her city!

She's lying and needs to be fired immediately before she "accidently" gets the election results wrong also. Period.

 

[Crickett]

Let me add to that.
How did she find out about the missing votes if the BOXES WERE SEALED?
Who opened them?
Were there party officials present?
Did they sign off the correction?
Why did they sign off if they don't know who did it?
Were there any other missing votes laying around? Did you look?
Did you just pull the 31 votes off the top of your head?
Can we see the proof? Where's the cards now?
The government should be scared of it's citizens' wrath. Don't become an "official" if you think it's going to be all happy, roses and a complete power trip. We can recall you at any time, get used to it. You work for us. You're fired!
If you don't know who did this, then the Secretary of State can't certify this election. Why don't you know? Where is the audit trail?
Does she handle money this way for the government as well? No audit trail, don't know who's got what?
We have to show others that you can't do this anymore, we won't tolerate it, not one vote will be lost, NOT ONE! So get your act together.
It stops here, it stops now!

RIGHT!! WTB succinct!

 

[traitorist]

This article is so typical when when the criminals are trying to hide something. They try to shift the focus and discredit the accusors and make them look like nuts. I have seen it a 1000 times!

EXACTLY.

 

[Berri]

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

It was an honest mistake and it doesn't matter. It's 31 votes.


???

Goddammit, this is politics -- don't you idiots understand this?
Don't you know your rude, aggressive, shrill, insane, threatening tactics are bringing shame and embarrassment upon Dr. Paul and our movement?? Don't you know that in politics, you win by persuading other people to join your side?

Read the OP and the title of this thread, over and over if you need to, until you are able to figure out what this means. For those of you incapable of figuring it out, I'll tell you: It means you are harming the movement when you treat people badly in our name.

You need to fuckin' listen to what the sane people (with the movement and without) are telling you. Maybe they sane people in this movement are being too polite to you, because you apparently don't think anyone ever listens unless they are being yelled at, cursed, an harassed. This is why I have resorted to curse words and big fonts in this post. (To the rest of you, sorry for "shouting" -- that's not usually my style.)

I am so sick of this. Grow up!

I don't think you quiet get it yet do you WE FUCKING CARE, every vote must be counted, whether it is fraud they should be jailed, if it is incompetance they must be fired. Don't know about you but I demand that my vote is counted, I don't want some idiot telling me it doesn't count because they are criminals or retards, and sure as hell i don't want to hear some other clown telling me that she is justified in not counting our votes!

 

[VoluntaryMan]

You are hurting the campaign by your psychotic actions and you and others like you need to stop. Either act like a sane person or get out. Ron Paul doesn't need this kind of "support".

I know this wasn't directed at me, but don't you realize that, BECAUSE RP is a threat to the status quo, even if he didn't have a few unorthodox, overzealous supporters, operatives of opposing campaigns (or whatever) would infiltrate this board and harass petty bureaucrats, just to make us look bad. So, people with malicious intent are not going to be dislodged by your appeals to their concern for our cause.

 

[Computer]

From the Concord Monitor today:

Read the rest at link above.

This kind of sentiment is good. It's better to be feared than loved.

 

[traitorist]

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

It means you are harming the movement when you treat people badly in our name.

oh, the irony.

 

[time4change]

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

It was an honest mistake and it doesn't matter. It's 31 votes.

This is supposed to be a joke, right?

 

[VoluntaryMan]

This kind of sentiment is good. It's better to be feared than loved.

Every campaign is about fear: "my opponent, Mr X, will destroy this country, and must be stopped!" There really is nothing new under the sun.

 

[USAF Vet Dan]

A letter to Ray

For what its worth, this is what I sent to Ray at the Concord Monitor:

Ray,

I read your article about the vote error / Mrs. Call. I thought you might be interested in knowing why Ron Paul supporters are so sensitive when it comes to "fair treatment" of their candidate. Let me give you one very shocking example of perhaps thousands.

Early in the televised debates, Ron Paul won the post debate text message polls. In the next debate, Fox News added a panel of "undecided voters" who were asked if they agreed with the text poll - did Ron Paul win the debate? All of them said no (with much disdain, I may add).

Now watch this 50 second video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BDvfAf2c4&feature=related proving the "undecided voters" to be paid actors. A pretty dirty trick, is it not? Most importantly, this dirty trick affects us all, not just those who support Ron Paul. I'll admit it frightens me to see that what we think is "real" news is nothing more than a propagandized stage show designed to promote some candidates and discredit others. Americans deserve better! As a journalist, I'm sure you'll find this to be an outrage. Fox isn't the only one doing things like this - almost all of the major media have committed similar sins.

Perhaps now you can see why some Ron Paul supporters appear to be over reactive.

Thanks for your time,

While we all need to keep our heads, under these circumstances it becomes impossible for everyone to agree on what should be done. When is it time for "peaceful civil disobedience"? We have all been kicked around pretty hard so far. Some people have more tolerance for it than others. It has become a divisive issue and that divisiveness is as much our enemy as the media propagandists, vote thieves, and other dirty tricksters. While we cannot do much about them, we can control divisiveness. Let's not be our own worst enemy.

 

[Eponym_mi]

If Ron Paul supporters were actually in Sutton on Tuesday night watching them count the votes we could've pointed out the mistake right there on the spot. We were allowed to do so.

+10000

Moreover, the fact that there wasn't a RP supporter there to observe the count suggests he didn't have enough support to win or even compete. A candidate with widespread support can and will have local observers.

I hope the people that have their panties in a twist about Sutton and NH in general are paying attention now and doing what is necessary to ensure there will be observers in their state. They aren't helping anything obsessing over NH.