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[tangent4ronpaul]

Well....

In light of new evidence and against what I would normally say was a bad price for this project I think the powers that be has now pushed me closer towards supporting this project than opposing it. Even if this pilot Roger or whatever his name is ends up making money on the deal as opposed to doing it for cost doesn't really matter now with this new information. The official campaign workers need to learn to let grassroots be grassroots even if they make poor decisions don't go ahead and disguise yourself as something your not? I feel bad now because that's exactly what I was telling Tangent not to do with the whole "At Cost" argument and here there are some in our circles that are doing the same thing with the justification of good intentions, you know what they say about the road to hell? It's paved with stones of them.

LOL this is sad I can't believe I'm having to type this, but yea I am all for grassroots supporting the campaign and getting Ron Paul elected through Phone Calls, Door to Door, Money Bombs, GOTV, etc. I participated in these in 2007 and try to get as many to support them now. But we cannot lose sight of our principles in the process.

And I understand we as grassroots sometimes ask as we did in 2007 for some leadership from the official campaign, but this is not the way to do it. I will make it a point to support any grassroots effort or project that is trying to be manipulated in one form or another through false personalities or lies regardless of where they come from. Ron Paul would never in a million years support the behavior that is being shown, political tactics aside when it comes to grassroots it's better to let grassroots be grassroots else be prepared to feel the whirlwind. Have these people still not understood the concept of blowback?

+rep

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Not Parocks. ZanZibar. Parocks is just sceptical, but without bad intention. And he suggested yestarday to contact you for recording flight, and all in all had constructive sceptical approach about cost and organizational skills. But he helped too. And from other threads - he is not bad guy, definately.

agree - though a bit too much of a campaign cheerleader at times.

 

[parocks]

Sorry parocks... I was confused. You could imagine why... I still haven't figured out the civil war references lol.

All Good.

You really should take charge of this project. The value would come from the best footage. I don't think you should push it forward. But if you hear it's a go, you should work with the pilot, with the goal of getting that best possible footage.

Flight time? Best light. When, I don't know, but probably a time where you won't have video noise at all, and when you can see clearly both the sign and the plane.
You should determine what time that is in Orlando. It's different everywhere. But it is around the first day of fall, so things'll be equalized a bit. 530-730? 5-7?

You might want to get atop a building. You could get footage of the plane coming in from a distance.

But you know what's up.

Think of it as something for the informercial project.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yeah I got your pm, just didn't know what you wanted me to do with it lol. I can be there in about 30 minutes, I'll pm you my #. If you confirm it just give me a call and I'll be there.

Sounds good!

 

[parocks]

Not Parocks. ZanZibar. Parocks is just sceptical, but without bad intention. And he suggested yestarday to contact you for recording flight, and all in all had constructive sceptical approach about cost and organizational skills. But he helped too. And from other threads - he is not bad guy, definately.

Consider that having a constructive sceptical approach is being helpful.

Consider also that I'm fully aware that being negative make me unpopular.

Consider also that I'm a known or knowable in real life, completely apart from Ron Paul.

I'm sincere.

 

[Aratus]

i'm doing edits on the previous pages. this perhaps goes back to the late 1860s and parson brownlow.
folks, ask "ZanZibar" about tennessee's governor brownlow and how erudite he was in his day![/QUOTE]
there were three governors of note in the 1860s in tennessee and our own droll, poly~sci actualized
and perceptive Zanzibar has to have an opinion! i am going to say in front of Zanzibar that Parson Brownlow
was known for his brassB@LLz and that rick perry is a dull dumb wimp by comparison! folks, ask ZanZibar
about the most loyal to the union governor of the age, namely parson brownlow and where he is in the
history books! okay... admittedly contrary andy johnson was a unionist and then the guy who headed
our union as an army demobilized...and the guy who had the job between the times he did twice who
i will not name right now before him sorta skipped down to mexico for complex reasons...and admittedly
we all must have a moment of silence in fond respect for parson brownlow for he was never a shrinking violet.
yes, people, yes... parson brownlow was never a shrinking violet. he totally wore his feelings on his sleave...
ZanZibar is not a shy person! he also admittedly likes cigars and does not duck controversy... did you know
the unionists in TENN were called tories and to this day parson brownlow can trigger an intense exchange
in academia especially vanderbilt U? this all had very little to do with the banner ad over orlando, clearly!!!

 

[parocks]

lol anytime someone says something that is not well-liked they are immediately a troll from the official campaign.

It's amazing.

Here, it's considered an INSULT by many to say that someone is from the official campaign.

And very few seem to think that that attitude is seriously wrong.

By the way, that attitude is fatal.

If the official campaign is incompetent, we lose. I see no evidence in 2011 that the official campaign is incompetent. But either way, we rise or fall with them.

 

[Aratus]

we have hopes of doctor ron paul being top three in florida and michigan this weekend!

admin has a policy. i sometimes can be gonzo or tangental.

there were three governors of note in the 1860s in tennessee and our own droll, poly~sci actualized and perceptive Zanzibar has to have an opinion!

i am going to say in front of Zanzibar that Parson Brownlow was known for his brassB@LLz and that rick perry is a dull dumb wimp by comparison!

hi ZanZibar!

okay...

yes...

they...

were...

ZZ is not a shrinking violet. he wore his feelings on his sleave...
ZanZibar is not a shy person! he also admittedly likes cigars
and does not duck controversy... our ZZ can get brassy and
very controversial. he has rough edges, hense these pages...

!!!

 

[PastaRocket848]

Seeing the plane and the lights at the same time on a dark background will be very difficult. I'll do my best though. I'm afraid that to keep the lights readable (not blown out the plane will be very dark if not invisible. We'll see how it goes and I'll do the best I can.

 

[speciallyblend]

ZanZibar likes cuban cigars.

i think i must have opined with

ZZ on a civil war re-enactor site,

something is damnedly familiar

about that certain said cigar.

i know who zanzibar is now, not sure why a new id is being used but oo well!!

 

[parocks]

Seeing the plane and the lights at the same time on a dark background will be very difficult. I'll do my best though. I'm afraid that to keep the lights readable (not blown out the plane will be very dark if not invisible. We'll see how it goes and I'll do the best I can.

Pick your time.

This is for you.

 

[parocks]

i know who zanzibar is now, not sure why a new id is being used but oo well!!

Here's the argument that some people make.

1) Known person M is actually 2011 person N.

I don't know if anyone has proof of this, or they just like the idea.

2) Person N left at the same time that Person Z joined, and they both joined the same groups.

3) Therefore Person M, Person N and Person Z are the same person.

If I had to guess, I would say that Person N and Person Z are not the same person, but they both might be from the campaign, and if I was the campaign I would have a lot more than 2 people on these boards.

 

[Aratus]

we have hopes of doctor ron paul being top three in florida and michigan this weekend!

admin has a policy. i sometimes can be gonzo or tangental.

i am going to say in front of Zanzibar that Parson Brownlow was known for his brassB@LLz
and that rick perry is a dull dumb wimp by comparison! hi ZanZibar![/QUOTE]

what if mackinac is sorta like the georgia fish fry?
what if three votes seperates us from mitt romney?

lets try to keep how quickly ZZ's feelings can be hurt.
we need distance and perspective, we need to keep
guv*rick away from any nukes becuz he is a total idiot.

some say he was the very totally worstest governor in the history of texas ever
and others who could correct my grammer would only quietly nod their heads affirmative.

yes! rewrite!

ZanZibar ---- i opine rick perry is only 1/100th the governor parson brownlow was
and also that civilian governor rick perry is only 1/10th the man the good parson was!

agree - though a bit too much of a campaign cheerleader at times.

 

[Aratus]

we are not flying a banner over the nice more ancient
than IKE era GRAND HOTEL up on lil mackinac island!
despite my bumping threads for a week or so!!! i am
being philosophical. the good doctor took pity on mitt!

 

[Aratus]

danke sometimes seyz brief things
with a wisdom greater than bill + ted's
kind philosophe SOOOO CRATES

 

[speciallyblend]

Yeah Ron seemed extremely supportive of the grassroots at the meet and greet this morning, even spent several minutes talking about the importance of grassroots activism. So the suggestion here is parocks is a troll from the official campaign attempting to squash grassroots efforts? I like to believe that is not the case, or atleast not by the direction of Ron himself. Unless Ron is the one with MPD... Which again I doubt.

I'm confused. If the plane flies tomorrow somebody pm me the time and I'll be there with a camera and tripod. Aside from that this thread has pretty much flown right over my head lol.

so when are you and gage gonna make a thread on the debate? gages adventures

 

[parocks]

I just talked to Roger - he just landed. Weather was lousy! He scroller our messages. The bye, bye IRS and Whhat was that other really ood one... scrolled many times. The I could be dropping bombs on you one scared him - so did not scroll.

wWe flew - anyone got film?

"The I could be dropping bombs on you one scared him - so did not scroll."

"I could be dropping bombs on you"

You put that into the system.

Right next to a Ron Paul message, that could've been shown.

And you want people to continue to fund you.

 

[IRONCLAD]

Well, we are working on making it happen tomorrow and getting video then. I'm not happy that we didn't get footage either. I don't think we've ever missed getting a youtube when Paul has been on TV, but not a single sole pulled out their cell phone and captured a few minutes of this. We did ask people to film it.

It's not too late to donate.

I believe you friend.... don't no one, but I feel your heart was in the right place, please don't let the debbie downers set you back. I'm still posting it on my facebook, I'm hoping you'll have the rest of the $900. you need. Best of luck and again great idea.

 

[BlueFloyd]

No, not hardly.

But seriously, what do you hope to accomplish with this project?

Ron Paul awareness for the Straw Poll this weekend.

 

[Aratus]

dagggggnabbit, the plane flew, the noble banner was seen
and we must let all the straw poll people do their thing!!!
i'm not very fussy. it got done. we could have gotten more
people on up to mackinac island MI if we told them that a
remake of FANTASY ISLAND was to be filmed at the hotel!