Paul has endorsed Baldwin

Someone seems pissed at Barr. Man, talk about the biggest mistake in his campaign, damn it Barr.

I'm still voting Barr cause Baldwin is only a write-in in California.
 
I really don't appreciate you manipulating my posts. I would rather an inth of hope that Palin can make some sort of difference than voting for BALDWIN who won't even be a blip on the radar. TONES (why do idiots force me to get ugly???)
 
SVF

You sure do sound like a "party voter" if I have ever heard one...

Does the republican party define Ron Paul as well?

Since it is for war
Since it is for more spending
Since it is for removing our liberties

Does that mean we should not support Ron Paul because his party is utter shit right now?

It has zero to do with the party itself BUT has everything to do with the candidate you support. If you want to bitch and moan over the party GREAT but don't tie each party to its candidates as though they are 100% inline with each other.
 
This should not come as a shock to anyone that has followed Ron Paul's writings and positions for years. What would have shocked me is if he had endorsed Barr.

Go Chuck Baldwin!

No more of a theocrat than Ron Paul himself.
 
I really don't appreciate you manipulating my posts. I would rather an inth of hope that Palin can make some sort of difference than voting for BALDWIN who won't even be a blip on the radar. TONES (why do idiots force me to get ugly???)

Voting for Palin is voting for McCain, no matter how you try to spin it. And voting for more of the same makes YOU the idiot.
 
Let me qualify first - I was leaning Baldwin anyways. There is a difference between sacfrifing principles and supporting someone who may have some different view than you.

Baldwin shares a love and understanding of liberty to the point that Paul respects him and gives him his endorsement.

Personally, I am pretty agnostic and do not like people who wear religion on their sleeves. However, Baldwin seems to be one that actually practices what he preaches, which is comforting even though I distaste it.

I would not say that I am voting for a lesser of evils by voting for Baldwin. I am voting for a good candidate who holds different weapons in the fight for liberty than I do.
 
I don't like the Religious Politics or the Keep the Drug War stuff.

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Paul-O-Meter

Continue reading to see our ratings for Chuck Baldwin.

1. Liberty-based Voting Record - Baldwin does not have a voting record so by default he gets a 3. Score: 3
2. The Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy - Baldwin wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and has advocated for a return to the gold standard. Baldwin’s Communications Director states that Chuck supports competing currencies. Score has been modified to a 5 (see comments for details). Score:5
3. Foreign Policy and Iraq - Baldwin calls for an immediate return from Iraq and switching to a non-interventionist foreign policy just like Ron Paul. Baldwin’s Communications Director states that Baldwin has advocated for bringing our troops home from military bases stationed overseas. Score has been modified to a 5 (see comments for details). Score:5
4. Taxes - Baldwin is perfectly in line with Ron Paul on tax policy. He wants to repeal the 16th amendment and replace it with nothing. No flat tax and no consumption tax. Score: 5
5. Government Spending - Baldwin is exactly like Ron Paul on government spending. He mentions specific departments he would abolish and continually advocates returning our government to its Constitutionally limited size. Score: 5
6. Privacy and Civil Liberties - Baldwin is identical to Ron Paul here. He is against FISA, Real ID, and the Patriot Act. He would leave the definition of marriage to the states. Score: 5
7. Immigration - Baldwin mimics Ron Paul on this issue. He speaks about removing incentives and lashes out against amnesty. He allows for the possibility of a border fence, but isn’t that keen on the idea. Score: 5
8. Gun Control and Second Amendment - Baldwin echoes Ron Paul here as well just about perfectly. Score: 5
9. Internet Regulation - He is against Net Neutrality and has said he opposes federal regulation of the Internet. However, he was given an ‘F’ by the Poker Player’s Alliance for his stance on online gambling and he was not forthright with his answer in a recent interview about regulating online gambling. Score: 4
10. Adherence To The Constitution - Baldwin speaks regularly of restoring the Constitution and obeying the rule of law. Score: 5
11. Religion vs. Public Policy - Being a member of the Constitution Party it is difficult for Baldwin to score high here. Baldwin being a pastor also doesn’t help. In most of his writings and speeches he mentions religion or relates policy to it. This is unlike Ron Paul. Ron Paul rarely mentions religion on the campaign trail. Score: 1
12. Environment - Baldwin is directly in line with Dr. Paul here. He believes global warming is a cyclical act of nature and he advocates using property rights and the court system to handle environment disputes. Score: 5
13. Energy Policy - Baldwin advocates for drilling in ANWR and off our coastlines. He advocates building more Nuclear Power plants. Score: 5
14. U.S. Sovereignty - Baldwin regularly speaks out against the North American Union and advocates for strong U.S. Sovereignty. Score: 5
15. War On Drugs - Baldwin says we need to “rethink” the war on drugs, but he hasn’t advocated ending it. Instead he suggests sealing the border as the solution to our perceived drug problems. He hasn’t advocated freeing all non-violent drug offenders either. These are not in line with Ron Paul. He has however, suggested that medicinal marijuana use be best regulated by the states. Score: 3
16. Education - Baldwin is perfectly in line with Ron Paul here. He advocates abolishing the Department of Education and advocates for school choice and home schooling. Score: 5
17. Welfare Programs - Baldwin advocates for phasing out of Social Security just like Ron Paul. Score: 5
18. Abortion - Baldwin is a twin of Ron Paul on this issue. Even though he is personally pro-life he would support Ron Paul’s “Sanctity Of LIfe” act which would overturn Roe vs. Wade and leave all abortion regulation to the states. Score: 5
19. Health Care - Baldwin is exactly like Ron Paul here. Wants to leave medical decisions to doctor’s and patients. He does not support any kind of government run national health care system. He wants to restore free market competition to health care. Score: 5
20. Ability To Spread The Liberty Message - Baldwin certainly has a liberty message; however, his ability to spread it by getting coverage on main stream media outlets is severely lacking. Score: 2

Chuck Baldwin’s final Paul-O-Meter Score: 88 out of 99 possible points

http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/07/15/the-ron-paul-paul-o-meter-chuck-baldwin-is-up/1276/
 
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That REALLY sucks. Especially considering Chuck's ballot access woes, homophobic writings, and the Constitution Party's theocratic, unlibertarian platform.

For the first time I regret voting for Ron Paul and donating hundreds of my hard-earned dollars to him.

Shiiiiiiiiiit.

Party over principle is obviously your way of thinking. You'd make a good dem or repub!

I do NOT agree with the CP on a few things, but I can say I support Baldwin 100%.

He isn't a closet neocon like Barr!

haha!
 
No way was I going to vote for Barr after witnessing his true character this last month.

With Ron's endorsement, Baldwin gets my vote. It sends a nice message to other politicians out there that the R3volution has some votes behind it.
 
Baldwin is on the WV ballot but not Barr so my choice was already made. Barr thinks a bit too highly of himself me thinketh.
 
Let me qualify first - I was leaning Baldwin anyways. There is a difference between sacfrifing principles and supporting someone who may have some different view than you.

Baldwin shares a love and understanding of liberty to the point that Paul respects him and gives him his endorsement.

Personally, I am pretty agnostic and do not like people who wear religion on their sleeves. However, Baldwin seems to be one that actually practices what he preaches, which is comforting even though I distaste it.

I would not say that I am voting for a lesser of evils by voting for Baldwin. I am voting for a good candidate who holds different weapons in the fight for liberty than I do.

I couldn't have said it better myself - thanks for the post, I agree with you here. I typically vote Libertarian - and this election would be no different if it weren't for Barr. Barr has a very questionable character in my opinion, particularly after his lack of attendence to the press conference.
 
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Well, buddy, I've been involved in the Libertarian Party for over 10 years. The LP has been promoting a liberty agenda for 30+ years and will (hopefully) continue doing so indefinitely, Barr or no Barr. Countless dollars and hours have been expended building up the "libertarian brand", running candidates at all levels of government promoting these ideas, and securing ballot access in spite of restrictive laws and regulations -- all in the name of maximal personal and economic freedom with a "big tent" welcoming approach. The LP is FAR from perfect, but they have been and continue to be the best thing going in terms of putting libertarianism in the political arena.

The Constitution Party, on the other hand, it nothing but a thinly-veiled refuge for religious zealots, Theocrats, homophobes, "moral majority" extremists, and so forth... always has been and likely always will be, Baldwin or no Baldwin.

It's disheartening that Ron Paul is misleading his flock to follow this truly "fringe" and intolerant party just because Baldwin helped out his campaign and Barr "snubbed" his little press conference.

All of the above is of course opinion only but I don't think I'm alone in my disappointment over this. If only I could get my money back from Ron Paul.

I feel sorry for you that you have been working in the libertarian party for 10 years, just to have it taken over in the last few. Don't get mad at Ron Paul, but perhaps look towards your own leadership within that party. Its been co-opted & manipulated. Also, you forget -- many high esteemed libertarian think tanks and organizations have had it in for Ron Paul since the very beginning. Work out your parties issues before you want others to jump on board to warring factions within your own party.

Also, I find it VERY INTERESTING you refer to 'us' as his flock. If you were a true supporter you would NEVER reference others nor yourself in such a manner. You are just here to troll and shill for your own agenda. You are doing damage control. Get lost. You never gave a dime to the cause of Ron Paul. It is very apparent.
 
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The Constitution Party, on the other hand, it nothing but a thinly-veiled refuge for religious zealots, Theocrats, homophobes, "moral majority" extremists, and so forth... always has been and likely always will be, Baldwin or no Baldwin.

It's disheartening that Ron Paul is misleading his flock to follow this truly "fringe" and intolerant party just because Baldwin helped out his campaign and Barr "snubbed" his little press conference.

Look who's complaining about "intolerance."

"Religious zealots, theocrats, homophobes (something you want to tell us about yourself?), moral majority extremists... " svf, it's not good to hate people with such vehemence. It tends to cloud your judgement.
 
devil...you are what you hate..got it? Furthermore, you will effectively push the people who choose to vote for someone other than baldwin out of the movement completely. You are no different than the democrats and republicans. People have been trying to tell ya'll that. I say all the new niks with no postings are probably people you know who have signed on ...with a name you don't recognize because they don't want to be LAMBASTED for not being in lock step. <eyeroll> tones
 
I love Chuck Baldwin and I am glad RP endorsed him. I hope McKinney and Nader and their followers don't see this as a slap in the face though. Yes they are socialists, but they are on our side on the most important issues of the day. Hopefully we can all unite behind Baldwin now and make a big statement in November.
 
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