Paul-endorsed congressional candidate winning Kansas GOP primary

[malkusm]

But anyway....what's the consensus on this guy? Do we consider it a victory for us if he wins in November?

 

[erowe1]

Try not to throw baseless lies and accusations around, please.

I didn't throw any baseless charge. I asked a question. I still haven't gotten an answer.

I don't know anything about Hueskamp or his position on farm bailouts. But do people really see his being a farmer as some kind of a plus? If so, why?

 

[malkusm]

He's a farmer too. We need more of them in congress.

Do we need more bankers, auto-executives, and other various corporate welfare dependents in Congress too?

You are either saying that (A) All farmers are "corporate welfare dependents," or (B) That Huelskamp himself is one. Which is why I posted what I posted. Your question was a rhetorical attack on Huelskamp predicated on one of the two lies.

Try not to throw baseless lies and accusations around, please.

http://farm.ewg.org/persondetail.php?custnumber=007991785

Tim Huelskamp received payments totaling $258 from 1995 through 2009

Hardly a "corporate welfare dependent." I'm sure, if you were really worried about it, he'd give the $258 back.

 

[klamath]

Wanting to use government to define life and how people are allowed to relate with one another is pretty authoritarian. While Ron Paul acknowledges that abortion is a violent act against a child, he's particularly against government taking upon itself the role of suggesting what makes a person alive. And he's certainly not for the government telling people whether they are allowed to marry. This is why he always makes the point that politicians lead the country astray by asking the wrong questions. Instead of arguing over "this vs. that", they ought to be asking themselves whether they have the authority to decide this or that.

Not saying anything one way or another about Huelskamp, since I haven't familiarized myself with him. But I just wanted to make that point that "pro-life" and "anti-gay marriage" still have authoritarianism rooted in them.

Wrong. RP only believes the FEDERAL government should not be passing laws on murder and it should be left up to the states But he does believe government should define when life begans just not the federal government. When he was forced into it he did vote for a partial birth abortion federal ban.
Abortion is the most authoratarian you can get.

 

[RoyalShock]

But anyway....what's the consensus on this guy? Do we consider it a victory for us if he wins in November?

Since I haven't been able to determine, even after two separate inquiries of his campaign, what his foreign policy entails, I have hope that he may at least lean toward non-interventionism. Saying that publicly in Kansas' 1st district would potentially be political suicide, especially in a six-candidate primary with very little to separate their platforms. To give you an idea, the guy who finished third was the favorite until he hinted that it would be best if Obama would just release his original birth certificate so the issue could be put to bed.

 

[malkusm]

I don't know anything about Hueskamp or his position on farm bailouts. But do people really see his being a farmer as some kind of a plus? If so, why?

My family owns a third generation farm, and the regulations are outrageous. Several years ago, they were all but forced out of their livestock operation due to a bunch of new regulations that passed, which would have required them to upgrade the ventilation in the housing as well as installing automated feeders in each facility.

Joel Salatin really hammers it home in this essay: http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/Salatin_Sept03.pdf

Bottom line, yes, I think it's a good thing to have a farmer in Congress, to be able to stand up against this nonsense. Just like any other industry, it's regulated from the top down, and the costs of those regulations are driving the little guy out of the market. Which is why an increasing percentage of farm subsidy money each year go to the "Big Three."

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

Sounds like the guy who finished third pulled a Debra Medina.

 

[Brian Defferding]

Sigh. I am starting to get sick of these so-called "Liberty" candidates when almost all of them believe the federal government should define marriage as one man/one woman, and seem to skip over the crucial issue of ending the war on drugs.

Tim won't get my support. Sorry guys.

 

[malkusm]

Since I haven't been able to determine, even after two separate inquiries of his campaign, what his foreign policy entails, I have hope that he may at least lean toward non-interventionism. Saying that publicly in Kansas' 1st district would potentially be political suicide, especially in a six-candidate primary with very little to separate their platforms. To give you an idea, the guy who finished third was the favorite until he hinted that it would be best if Obama would just release his original birth certificate so the issue could be put to bed.

Good to know. I'll keep him in mind for my November candidates thread. It sounds like we need to add him as "one of our guys," if for no other reason than to keep tabs on him once he's elected.

 

[RoyalShock]

Good to know. I'll keep him in mind for my November candidates thread. It sounds like we need to add him as "one of our guys," if for no other reason than to keep tabs on him once he's elected.

I'm going to try another run at getting some answers, namely foreign and monetary policy and the war on drugs. Perhaps some folks on his facebook page will have some input.

 

[malkusm]

Here is what the FEC has on file for his past campaign donations - just two donations to the Kansas GOP and a donation to Sam Brownback's 2004 Senate campaign.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml

EDIT: This only reports donations of $250 or more, I believe.

 

[malkusm]

This is discouraging: Huelskamp was the sponsor of a bill to limit advertising for adult stores within 1 mile of a state highway: http://www.kansasliberty.com/libert...5may/ag-responds-to-adult-superstore-lawsuit/

The law's backers complain that Six caved too easily and didn't provide evidence about pornography's "secondary negative effects" such as lower property values, increased drug trafficking and general blight. "The porn industry has deep, deep, deep pockets," says state senator Tim Huelskamp, who believes there is a link between pornography and fantasy-driven criminal behavior. "Justice shouldn't have a price. What is the cost of one additional rape of a child, the cost of another young woman being a victim? Kansas families deserve an opportunity to drive freely down the highway without this kind of advertising."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1916567,00.html

 

[erowe1]

You are either saying that (A) All farmers are "corporate welfare dependents," or (B) That Huelskamp himself is one. Which is why I posted what I posted. Your question was a rhetorical attack on Huelskamp predicated on one of the two lies.

That wasn't what I meant. My question was a rhetorical attack on the quote that I included in my post which claimed that we need more farmers in Congress. That was farmers in the plural, not just any particular farmer who happens to be good, but more farmers in general. Most banks don't get much in the way of bailouts either. But I'd consider it strange to see someone say we need more bankers in Congress.

Huelskamp may well be great, but not because he's a farmer.

Also, incidentally, for what it's worth, I don't really care what kinds of welfare any given person running for office may have benefited from as an individual. Given the opportunity, I wouldn't turn down a check from the government myself and have no qualms about having taken advantage of things the government has provided me that I believe it shouldn't have been allowed to. I'm really only concerned about how a legislator will vote on those things.

 

[malkusm]

State Sen. Tim Huelskamp, a Fowler conservative who endorsed Huckabee, said McCain wasn't "trustworthy" on issues such as taxes, immigration and campaign finance. Then, Huelskamp noted, McCain picked Palin.

"For most of us, this was the biggest political decision of his life, and I think he got this right," Huelskamp said. "She has just energized the party."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-27-kansas-election_N.htm

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

Sigh. I am starting to get sick of these so-called "Liberty" candidates when almost all of them believe the federal government should define marriage as one man/one woman, and seem to skip over the crucial issue of ending the war on drugs.

Tim won't get my support. Sorry guys.

 

[malkusm]

That wasn't what I meant. My question was a rhetorical attack on the quote that I included in my post which claimed that we need more farmers in Congress. That was farmers in the plural, not just any particular farmer who happens to be good, but more farmers in general. Most banks don't get much in the way of bailouts either. But I'd consider it strange to see someone say we need more bankers in Congress.

Huelskamp may well be great, but not because he's a farmer.

Also, incidentally, for what it's worth, I don't really care what kinds of welfare any given person running for office may have benefited from as an individual. Given the opportunity, I wouldn't turn down a check from the government myself and have no qualms about having taken advantage of things the government has provided me that I believe it shouldn't have been allowed to. I'm really only concerned about how a legislator will vote on those things.

No problem, I understand now. Sorry if I came off as rude or brash. :o

I'm in the process of vetting Mr. Huelskamp as best I can.

 

[malkusm]

Huelskamp caucused for Mike Huckabee in 2008, not Ron Paul:

State Sen. Tim Huelskamp spoke on behalf of Huckabee. He told the crowd that 24 hours previously, he didn’t know which candidate he would be voting for. Then he met Huckabee in Topeka during one of the former governor’s four campaign stops in the state on Friday. He said the opportunity to look someone in the eye told him a lot about his character.

“When you look at Gov. Huckabee’s record as an executive, and unlike any of the other candidates, he’s actually had to lead a government,” Huelskamp said. “And incidentally, don’t forget, that was a government that was run previously by cronies of the Clinton family. And he spent years cleaning that up. Seventeen elected officials after he took (the office of) governor were indicted or put in jail.”

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/2008/feb/11/gop_chooses_huckabee/

 

[Kregisen]

Well I guess we can all say "fuck you tim" eh?

 

[erowe1]

As far as Huckabee is from Ron Paul in policy, and as much as he has personally denigrated libertarians and small government conservatives, I've noticed that a lot (though not most) of his supporters are really quite a bit closer to us than most Republicans. Here in Indiana, John Hostettler got a lot of support from former Huckabee supporters. I wouldn't automatically rule Huelskamp out for that.

 

[RoyalShock]

Both Paul and Huckabee endorsed Huelskamp, though Paul's came first.

The thing that keeps entering my mind is that Ron doesn't hand out endorsements willy-nilly. What, exactly, did Ron see in Tim's platform to give an endorsement?