Paul campaign disavows anti-Huntsman ad

[cdw]

So this is Huntsman's revenge for the tweet eh. Never liked that punk-ass phoney. If anything, this firmly squashes any "he/she's not that bad, Ron should consider him/her for a position" from being posted anymore. They are ALL scumbags, and the one thing they all have in common is mutual hatred for the liberty movement and it's current face Dr. Paul.

I don't watch mainstream news unless it pertains to something important so I don't know how much this has been covered on tv, but having just seen the vid it's the most unimportant non-news 'offence' drummed up yet. No matter who posted it, such low-blow vids are done every damn day to every damn person that's ever had a public career in history. Get over it Huntsman, that's if you weren't behind the posting yourself. Such things do not deserve a formal response, and I really wish Paul didn't dignify this with that statement.

I hope if this is brought up to Ron in an interview that he scoffs at how insignificant this is to actually be asked about, and bring up that it's the internet and that these things happen all the time; and that he too has had things said/posted about him but he doesn't make a big deal about it because it happens to every celebrity.

Then I hope he calmly moves the subject to something that's actually important rather than stay on Huntman's fake butt-hurt nonsense.

 

[demolama]

I've seen some dirty political tricks before but this is beyond sleaze. I hope this blowbacks on him and destroys any future political ambitions. The twilight zone thing was one thing... this is just cowardly

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Fox News streamer from a few minutes ago:

Ron Paul's Pres Campaign slams an anti-Jon Huntsman Ad from supporters as "disgusting"...

 

[slamhead]

Does youtube strip out the metatags on the videos?

 

[Watch]

Antiwar put this out on the 'false flag' ad http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2012/01/06/the-three-faces-of-jon-huntsman/

This is good because it is something I can link to my facebook, in the very least.

 

[thoughtomator]

The article is being drudges in Facebook groups. Since theres a "Huntsman Outraged" headline front and center on Drudge, it's only fair and fitting that we Drudge the rebuttal!

I sent the evidence to Drudge hours ago already, before the story appeared on his site.

I think we need to face facts, Drudge is not friendly to Ron Paul and will not give him an even break.

 

[sonik]

John Huntsman "you might be surprised on what they (Ron Paul campaign) release in the next few days"

This is propaganda.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Fox News streamer from a few minutes ago:

Ron Paul's Pres Campaign slams an anti-Jon Huntsman Ad from supporters as "disgusting"...

Guess attacking the person that made RickPerry.com redirect to RonPaul2012 wasn't enough, the official campaign now sees it fit to go after every random person on the internet, that is allegedly a Paul supporter, who says or does something stupid.

Seriously, what are they thinking? There was absolutely no reason for them to say anything here. No other candidate would feel obligated to disavow something that some random weirdo posted on the internet. Is the official campaign going to start doing this for everything? Because there's a lot they'd have to apologize for if they feel it necessary to start now. Hopefully in the future, it will at least be unequivocally proven to be an actual Ron Paul supporter before the official campaign negatively responds.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Guess attacking the person that made RickPerry.com redirect to RonPaul2012 wasn't enough, the official campaign now sees it fit to attack every random person on the internet, that is allegedly a Paul supporter, who says or does something stupid.

Seriously, what are they thinking? There was absolutely no reason for them to say anything here. No other candidate would feel obligated to disavow something that some random weirdo posted on the internet. Are they going to do it for everything now? Because there's a lot they'd have to apologize for if they feel it necessary to start doing this. Hopefully in the future, it will at least be proven to be an actual Ron Paul supporter before the official campaign attacks.

Slow down there. That was an example of how Fox News is spinning the story, even right now. They want to sow dissent, and to give the appearance of division. Don't fall for their manipulations. The official campaign has not said anything bad about supporters. Fox made that up.

 

[happyphilter]

John Huntsman "you might be surprised on what they (Ron Paul campaign) release in the next few days"

This is propaganda.

I thought "they" was referring to his daughters.

 

[Publicani]

One more strange points with regard to this video, that as far as I know haven't been discussed.
Where are the original videos upon which this one was built?
I've seen dozens if not hundreds of Ron Paul supporters videos - all of them have some original sources on youtube. Where are original sources of Huntsman speaking Chinese, for God's sake, on youtube? I don't think they are available. They surely would be easily available for a family member.

Also, I don't know if any or Ron Paul supporters ever heard of jon2012girls before. Have you checked jon2012Girls site? I checked it because it was a tag on this video.
Anyway, the site
http: //www.youtube.com/user/Jon2012Girls
is similarly unprofessional and is similarly full of pretentious humor.

 

[sailingaway]

but they are very well known for having that site and anyone trying to make Ron look bad and going to the trouble of putting Ron's logo in the video could certainly copy a hashtag from their well publicized site.

I agree the footage is a data point, it just isn't conclusive. They might have public facebook accounts, their Dad may have footage like that on some website. I don't know.

 

[TER]

The campaign has spoken about it, now let's end it. Exposing Santorum is the next phase, after that all that will be left is Romney.

 

[stefank]

I'm not sure if this has been posted already but somebody created an account called NH4Santorum and posted this same video. But I'm pretty sure this one is a joke.

 

[Aratus]

I don't know if there is any solid evidence that Huntsman is connected with the video, but here is what bothers me: The username seems unbelievable. The account is created the same day the video is uploaded...

Edit: The footage of Huntsman is from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExJf4254zU
Not exactly a popular video. It's in Chinese and doesn't tag Huntsman.

debunked already: hXXp://orinje.com/threads/430416-The-paulbots-are-going-crazy-with-our-video

I remember a few months back during all the debates some of us were joking about the MSM being so absurd that they would demand that Ron Paul disavow random Youtube and twitter users. And now it's actually happening.

First I wasn't cussing at you, I'm cussing because this thing has been going on all day - it has been hammered by the media, spun 10 ways, and the campaign only finds out about it now because you managed to get through to Doug. But its great that you did, no doubt.

The facts:

1. Video put out by a newly created youtube account, with only 1 video.
2. The press goes bananas, blames this thing on "Ron Paul supporters" which is totally false, and they need to be called out. They're taking guilt by association way too far.
3. According to the video stats, the video was referred by jon2012 before any referrals by twitter or youtube search. This means that jon2012 knew about this thing way before they should have. Smells like dirty tricks.

The campaign needs to go on the offensive, call out the media for this smear, mention that jon2012 knew about this thing before it hit twitter, or anywhere else.

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Huntsman 2012
The paulbots are going crazy with our video

I cant believe how stupid these people are. As campaign insiders many of you are aware we created the fake video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0 and made it look like it came from the ron paul people. This is a suprise it went viral. And the good news is paul is getting blamed for it.

My goodness this is turning out better than expected. I was on the phone today with the campaign and they have another one coming out monday.

#2
Dave

I helped make the video. I almost fell off my chair when i saw it on fox....

wow, Brett Beire just opened the show with a clip of this video > Ron's dithering/rambling/weak-sounding response > Huntsman condemning the video and looking alpha/tough...

How many unforced errors are we going to make going into NH??

RonPaulVolunteer, think Doug will be able to get Ron to avoid going into "George McFly" mode when 'confronted' by questions like this?? He needs to show 'strength'...

(side note - please don't "hot topics" this thread - this thread has a lot of key info/intel within it that needs to be easy to find for journalists/reporters doing looking into the story. Plus, I think this is going to backfire on whoever made the video).http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?5672-RonPaulVolunteer

Easy comparison to make between editing style




Also Jon's daughters routinely tag themselves in their videos as jon2012girls, same with the huntsman values video (why would they be tagged? force of habit?)

Also how did huntsmans campaign know about it SO QUICKLY? even if they were linked to it. I for one routinely email their campaign to tell them how ron paul is better (whenever they release an anti-paul ad ) so they must be use to it, why take that serious?

It's all VERY FISHY!

The footage was on YouTube already, so it was just taken from that. It isn't that easy to find, but if you type in "Huntsman speaking Mandarin", several videos come up which include the footage. the other points seem reasonable to question.

There is no proof Huntsman's people did it, only some evidence. It's also possible it's just some trolls from SomethingAwful or 4chan.

Perfect. One more thing. Ron Paul supporters didn't share it anywhere on the forums or on the Daily Paul until after it emerged. If a Ron Paul supporter made this video and was dumb enough to have "ron paul" in the YouTube account name, then that supporter was dumb enough to also post it on the DP and RPF right away. That didn't happen. So now let's assume it is a Ron Paul supporter who made this video and did not post it on the forums or DP because he/she did not want the blowback to go back to Ron Paul supporters. If that is the case, then why was the handle stupidly and blatantly featuring "ron paul" in it? Pure logic thus indicates that the only alternative left is that it was NOT a Ron Paul supporter who made this, but wanted to create the impression that he/she was a Ron Paul supporter.

Yeah there is, the first referral came from Jon's own site. That's pretty conclusive.

Don't you find it odd that the only two sites linked to this video is the Huntsman website (1 view) and Twitter (5 views). Those are the only two sites listed. That's pretty suspicious.

Many more sites have linked to it now, particularly news sites. Those should show up eventually, but everything lags on Youtube (viewcount, referral source, etc)

Same for Twitter info... be nice to see the IT forenzics between YouTube and Twitter.

Did Breitbart back track Anthony Weiner? Didn't take long to prove Weiner was lying.

Try the Youtube account first. They're more likely to be on a computer when they access that. If that doesn't work we can try the Twitter account. They're more likely to be on a mobile device on the Twitter account (The most recent tweet was sent from the mobile twitter interface) and a cell phone IP doesn't help us (dead end, really).

Future discussions should be there until we want to announce something. Just generally, if you don't want people to be able to look over your shoulder without knowing they are there, that is what that forum is for.

remember trolls with accounts can still go there. I didn't see what you were up to but if you need a REALLY private forum, let Josh know.

This comment just appeared on Huffington Post.

"ABBIGAIL HUNTSMAN is the one who helped create the video and draw it to the media. Their threads of plotting it (and another video for monday) are public, and they still can't quite figure out how to move them viewable to private users only. Idiots. Hey Abby, how does it feel to know that you single-han*dedly just ruined your father's good name and presidenti*al campaign?"

If that comment is the truth and I do NOT know it is it would be a kid.

Just wanted to offer some context on why this false-story why is being pushed, why it's important, and why we need to fight it with everything we've got.

The only 'soft' support Ron has in NH is with Independents who are picking between him and Huntsman (they have Ron as their 1st choice right now, but aren't "no one but paul" yet).

Before the media surges Huntsman, they first need to build up a solid Paul vs Huntsman 'backstory'. NH is all about the IND voters and Ron won 44% of them in Iowa (vs Romney's 18% and Rick Santorum's 13%). 45% of NH = Independents

• The reason the media needs to directly and negatively connect Paul to Huntsman first before surging him with positive "Huntsman has the momentum" coverage is because Huntsman appeals to soft Romney & Gingrinch supporters just as much as soft Paul supporters.

• An open-ended Huntsman surge could very easily cause a lot of soft-Romney/Gingrich conservatives to back him, bringing down Romney's winning percentage and pushing Paul into a closer (and expectations beating) 2nd place behind Romney.

• So the media needs to to do everything they can to make this a "Huntsman is winning over Paul supporters" story....

These surges are all about keeping Paul as far away from Romney as possible... Santorum's surge in Iowa didn't need any context because it didn't pull any support away from Romney (same will go for whoever they attempt to surge before South Caroline Perry/Gingrich/Santorum). But in NH, a lot of Romney's base = soft and the not-Romney vote isn't similar to the lemming-like 'evangelical tea partiers' in Iowa/SC...

and since Huntsman has been focusing his message mostly towards 'conservatives' rather than Independents (see: this article in the Christian Science Monitor), surging him without tying him directly to Paul will definitely take support from Romney & Gingrich & Paul equally... and spreading it out is probably not enough for Huntsman to get second.

Long story short, for Huntsman to win second, they need most of his votes to come from Paul...

Case in point: Carl Cameron just said "this ad could turn off a lot of independents"

And here's an example of how they've been framing the contest in pretty much every article being posted on the NH race:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/independents-represent-a-major-unknown-in-the-nh-primary/2012/01/03/gIQAAmWycP_story.html

Yes, before I realized it had been sent first thing to Huntsman and to his daughters' hash tag, I was thinking it was someone in the Huntsman camp trying to overcome the backlash against Huntsman for those really trashy ads implying Ron is racist and crazy. I figured they blew up in his face.

I'm glad RevPak has Compassion running in NH.

GOTO hermancainforums.com

google alan turing and remind thyself

the internet is a turing test.

what if neither campaign is behind

this dirty op of a youtube?

 

[happyphilter]

The campaign has spoken about it, now let's end it. Exposing Santorum is the next phase, after that all that will be left is Romney.

Let the campaign handle the big fish, we don't need to be the ones going after Santorum. We should be doing out best to clean up this smaller stuff.

 

[TER]

Let the campaign handle the big fish, we don't need to be the ones going after Santorum. We should be doing out best to clean up this smaller stuff.

Your right, until the small stuff becomes a distraction from the issues. Then we shouldn't be doing it.

 

[nicname]

non issue

I don't see how anyone sees this as anything but a non-issue. It is a youtube video for crying out loud. Not an ad. Only bad thing is it made CNN which is a travesty in journalism in and of itself.

non issue.

move along

 

[Aratus]

damn... long read.

this is a clever dirty trick.

huntsman has money

but does he own

the techies who

pulled this off?

I don't know if there is any solid evidence that Huntsman is connected with the video, but here is what bothers me: The username seems unbelievable. The account is created the same day the video is uploaded, the same day the twitter account is created. One of the first views is from jon2012.com before the video becomes a news story. The video tags jon2012girls in the description and the Twitter account hashtags jon2012girls. The video contains family footage. It looks like the other videos on Huntsman's YouTube account. Huntsman said his daughters were going to release something a few days prior on Piers Morgan. Also, the user of the account NHLibery4Paul told Huffington Post, ""Sorry, campaign has asked me not to speak to reporters." These things put together probably justify some kind of investigation.

Edit: The footage of Huntsman is from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExJf4254zU
Not exactly a popular video. It's in Chinese and doesn't tag Huntsman.

debunked already: hXXp://orinje.com/threads/430416-The-paulbots-are-going-crazy-with-our-video

I remember a few months back during all the debates some of us were joking about the MSM being so absurd that they would demand that Ron Paul disavow random Youtube and twitter users. And now it's actually happening.

First I wasn't cussing at you, I'm cussing because this thing has been going on all day - it has been hammered by the media, spun 10 ways, and the campaign only finds out about it now because you managed to get through to Doug. But its great that you did, no doubt.

The facts:

1. Video put out by a newly created youtube account, with only 1 video.
2. The press goes bananas, blames this thing on "Ron Paul supporters" which is totally false, and they need to be called out. They're taking guilt by association way too far.
3. According to the video stats, the video was referred by jon2012 before any referrals by twitter or youtube search. This means that jon2012 knew about this thing way before they should have. Smells like dirty tricks.

The campaign needs to go on the offensive, call out the media for this smear, mention that jon2012 knew about this thing before it hit twitter, or anywhere else.

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The paulbots are going crazy with our video

I cant believe how stupid these people are. As campaign insiders many of you are aware we created the fake video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0 and made it look like it came from the ron paul people. This is a suprise it went viral. And the good news is paul is getting blamed for it.

My goodness this is turning out better than expected. I was on the phone today with the campaign and they have another one coming out monday.

#2
Dave

I helped make the video. I almost fell off my chair when i saw it on fox. I even got a call from the big man thanking me personally. This is pauls weekness. We should ramp this style of attack up.

#3
John5

The paul reaction shows how incopmtent they really are. We put them on the defensive with a video that took 5 minutes to make. These people don't have a hint of street smarts.

I agree with you dave, more videos. Have you seen the final for monday?

#4
Dave

Well we have one coming out monday.

#5
Huntsman 2012

Sorry guys, I didn't relize I was in the open forum. Can the huntsman team here move this to the insiders forum..ASAP

#6
Huntsman 2012

Please move this thread

#7
Abigail

I copied this over to the private forum and am deleting this thread

#8
Huntsman 2012

I can still see it on the open forum.

#9
Abigail

Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman 2012 View Post
I can still see it on the open forum.
Its just your computers cache. I deleted it. Lets stick with the private forum and leave the white horse wanna be's out here

Claiming to be the source/makers of the video are Huntsman suporters, now with the full text:
(dunno if anyone can verify their claim but it looks very legit)

hXXp://orinje.com/threads/430416-The-paulbots-are-going-crazy-with-our-video

wow, Brett Beire just opened the show with a clip of this video > Ron's dithering/rambling/weak-sounding response > Huntsman condemning the video and looking alpha/tough...

How many unforced errors are we going to make going into NH??

RonPaulVolunteer, think Doug will be able to get Ron to avoid going into "George McFly" mode when 'confronted' by questions like this?? He needs to show 'strength'...

(side note - please don't "hot topics" this thread - this thread has a lot of key info/intel within it that needs to be easy to find for journalists/reporters doing looking into the story. Plus, I think this is going to backfire on whoever made the video).http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?5672-RonPaulVolunteer

Easy comparison to make between editing style




Also Jon's daughters routinely tag themselves in their videos as jon2012girls, same with the huntsman values video (why would they be tagged? force of habit?)

Also how did huntsmans campaign know about it SO QUICKLY? even if they were linked to it. I for one routinely email their campaign to tell them how ron paul is better (whenever they release an anti-paul ad ) so they must be use to it, why take that serious?

It's all VERY FISHY!

The footage was on YouTube already, so it was just taken from that. It isn't that easy to find, but if you type in "Huntsman speaking Mandarin", several videos come up which include the footage. the other points seem reasonable to question.

There is no proof Huntsman's people did it, only some evidence. It's also possible it's just some trolls from SomethingAwful or 4chan.

Perfect. One more thing. Ron Paul supporters didn't share it anywhere on the forums or on the Daily Paul until after it emerged. If a Ron Paul supporter made this video and was dumb enough to have "ron paul" in the YouTube account name, then that supporter was dumb enough to also post it on the DP and RPF right away. That didn't happen. So now let's assume it is a Ron Paul supporter who made this video and did not post it on the forums or DP because he/she did not want the blowback to go back to Ron Paul supporters. If that is the case, then why was the handle stupidly and blatantly featuring "ron paul" in it? Pure logic thus indicates that the only alternative left is that it was NOT a Ron Paul supporter who made this, but wanted to create the impression that he/she was a Ron Paul supporter.

Yeah there is, the first referral came from Jon's own site. That's pretty conclusive.

Don't you find it odd that the only two sites linked to this video is the Huntsman website (1 view) and Twitter (5 views). Those are the only two sites listed. That's pretty suspicious.

Many more sites have linked to it now, particularly news sites. Those should show up eventually, but everything lags on Youtube (viewcount, referral source, etc)

Same for Twitter info... be nice to see the IT forenzics between YouTube and Twitter.

Did Breitbart back track Anthony Weiner? Didn't take long to prove Weiner was lying.

Try the Youtube account first. They're more likely to be on a computer when they access that. If that doesn't work we can try the Twitter account. They're more likely to be on a mobile device on the Twitter account (The most recent tweet was sent from the mobile twitter interface) and a cell phone IP doesn't help us (dead end, really).

Future discussions should be there until we want to announce something. Just generally, if you don't want people to be able to look over your shoulder without knowing they are there, that is what that forum is for.

remember trolls with accounts can still go there. I didn't see what you were up to but if you need a REALLY private forum, let Josh know.

This comment just appeared on Huffington Post.

"ABBIGAIL HUNTSMAN is the one who helped create the video and draw it to the media. Their threads of plotting it (and another video for monday) are public, and they still can't quite figure out how to move them viewable to private users only. Idiots. Hey Abby, how does it feel to know that you single-han*dedly just ruined your father's good name and presidenti*al campaign?"

If that comment is the truth and I do NOT know it is it would be a kid.

Just wanted to offer some context on why this false-story why is being pushed, why it's important, and why we need to fight it with everything we've got.

The only 'soft' support Ron has in NH is with Independents who are picking between him and Huntsman (they have Ron as their 1st choice right now, but aren't "no one but paul" yet).

Before the media surges Huntsman, they first need to build up a solid Paul vs Huntsman 'backstory'. NH is all about the IND voters and Ron won 44% of them in Iowa (vs Romney's 18% and Rick Santorum's 13%). 45% of NH = Independents

• The reason the media needs to directly and negatively connect Paul to Huntsman first before surging him with positive "Huntsman has the momentum" coverage is because Huntsman appeals to soft Romney & Gingrinch supporters just as much as soft Paul supporters.

• An open-ended Huntsman surge could very easily cause a lot of soft-Romney/Gingrich conservatives to back him, bringing down Romney's winning percentage and pushing Paul into a closer (and expectations beating) 2nd place behind Romney.

• So the media needs to to do everything they can to make this a "Huntsman is winning over Paul supporters" story....

These surges are all about keeping Paul as far away from Romney as possible... Santorum's surge in Iowa didn't need any context because it didn't pull any support away from Romney (same will go for whoever they attempt to surge before South Caroline Perry/Gingrich/Santorum). But in NH, a lot of Romney's base = soft and the not-Romney vote isn't similar to the lemming-like 'evangelical tea partiers' in Iowa/SC...

and since Huntsman has been focusing his message mostly towards 'conservatives' rather than Independents (see: this article in the Christian Science Monitor), surging him without tying him directly to Paul will definitely take support from Romney & Gingrich & Paul equally... and spreading it out is probably not enough for Huntsman to get second.

Long story short, for Huntsman to win second, they need most of his votes to come from Paul...

Case in point: Carl Cameron just said "this ad could turn off a lot of independents"

And here's an example of how they've been framing the contest in pretty much every article being posted on the NH race:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/independents-represent-a-major-unknown-in-the-nh-primary/2012/01/03/gIQAAmWycP_story.html

Yes, before I realized it had been sent first thing to Huntsman and to his daughters' hash tag, I was thinking it was someone in the Huntsman camp trying to overcome the backlash against Huntsman for those really trashy ads implying Ron is racist and crazy. I figured they blew up in his face.

I'm glad RevPak has Compassion running in NH.

Man I hope this is true. That would be great.

I'm sure most of us know it's not from a RP supporter. If there is proof out there then it's great news. But I'm not holding my breath for the media to report that news if it turns out true.

A new thread would be helpful. Put all available information laying this at the feet of the Huntsman camp in one post. Include the public video account and upcoming Monday video.

Yep, and we then have the weekend to make it go viral, forcing the news to cover it on Monday. This destroys Huntsman if true. He is attacking RP for not supervising his people, yet people in his own frigging family are doing scandalous things.

Or it could be that we aren't the only one that found the daughters' twitter tag, but it being sent to them could have just been to make it blow up on Ron, and anyone could have done that. REmember yesterday when everyone was trashing every person on the planet named whatever that newsletter guy's name is? Let's wait until we have more evidence.

Right now all we have is a comment on HuffPo. Flimsy much?

The comment is probably referring to this thread, which is obviously fake and a distraction:

http://orinje.com/threads/430416-The-paulbots-are-going-crazy-with-our-video

True, but no other candidate has an army of supporters making free videos for them. Or an army of supporters sitting on their thumbs, for that matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-A-R07mgs8

Did the daughters release anything (else) in the past few days? What else could Huntsman have been referring to?

He can't have been referring to this video. Accusing someone of being a racist is much too vicious to be anyones idea of a joke!

68 posts. december join. fake looking thread.

TREAD CAREFULLY

Yeah, guys, going off half cocked and accusing the wrong people is a great way to make it WORSE.

I'll just note that it would be quite prescient to join up in December in response to an incident that occurred on January 4th.

Did anyone even know or care about Huntsman before this video?

Okay, I found it. Tweets that mention Huntsman show up here: http://www.jon2012.com/take-action/tweets

Ben Swann just shared this article: http://www.theendrun.com/huntsman-complicit-in-false-flag-style-dirty-trick-against-paul

He implies he's looking into this issue by stating he hasn't fully vetted the issue yet. I HOPE he takes this on, Ben hasn't let us down yet. He's our only ally in the mainstream media, at this point.

Is there a way to find this on the video itself? I'm not a programmer but I found this on how to fetch the exact time a video was uploaded using the youtube api. (I think its Python)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5684161/fetch-the-exact-time-a-video-was-uploaded

Any programmers around?

edited to add the 1st tweet time was: 10:35 PM, Jan 4th

I just typed out a whole bunch of @jonhuntsman tweets and none of them are showing up on his twitter feed page

More facts:

The video uses tags that Huntsman's daughters use on their YouTube videos: jon2012girls jon 2012 girls. The tweet also used the hashtags #jon2012girls as
well. Their YouTube channel is Jon2012Girls.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jon2012girls&search=tag
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jon 2012 girls&search=tag
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jon2012Girls

The public Tweet happened the day after the first referral so the Huntsman campaign is obviously lying.

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7287/huntsmanfalseflag.jpg

http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/tZeVqj-t1U0

This has all the api xml data for the video

<published>2012-01-05T03:12:51.000Z</published><updated>2012-01-07T04:29:14.000Z</updated>

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Jon Huntsman claims to be a conservative - claims to love America - but the real story is his true values and whom his love is really for.

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Someone give me the email of the account and I can trace the IP.

the only data in that XML with any worthwhile content are the keywords

I'm not familiar with any youtube exploits. I can however trace an IP from an email address. So the hardest part is finding the email the person registered the account with. We could get to the bottom of this reallll quick

Ben Swann is exposing it!! Lol

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck?ref=ts

question is how could it be published on the 5th but there were views on the 4th? Was it private and then made public on the 5th? I've tested going from unlisted to public and the published date didn't change. My point is the smoking gun is if it was private on the 4th only approved users could view it then it became public (published) and that is the date it gets. Would the youtube stats list private views too? If this is all true a referral from john huntsman site while private means something then, right?

Should be: [email protected]

Someone tell Ben that ALL website addresses going through Twitter are linked using the http://t.co domain, and won't show up as the original address as a referral. If you have java scripts disabled, you won't be able to click through to the website. You can see for yourself.

In the case of this specific Tweet, it was http://t.co/sSXkhnn1

My email is different than my youtube log in name. But I'm trying [email protected] now

This whole thing is ugly. And for the media to take this and run with it just confirms how low and amoral they really are.

And to any NON-Paul supporters out there who might be reading this:

Use your noodle.

A sincere, TRUE Ron Paul supporter would have taken down the video by now, since RP's campaign itself said it was disgusting and called for it to be taken down. And since MANY actual Paul supporters have also asked that it be taken down.

Would a true Ron Paul supporter leave up a video that the campaign itself asked to be taken down? And that is obviously causing trouble, and distracting from more important things? Um, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the answer to that question.

So, to Wolf or anyone else out there who is still pushing this as something by a "Ron Paul supporter" or the campaign itself - you should be ashamed of yourself. You're so transparent, and thankfully more and more people are waking up and seeing through your BS.

I'm sure this has been already asked but how would anybody have even gotten that footage, and who would have even known that those were his kids? The fact that some random Ron Paul supporter from NH would be able to get footage of this just doesn't seem possible.

That article has a typo, it claims this shit was posted on November 4th. Shouldn't it be Jan 4th? Makes it confusing and more tinfoil sounding,imo.

Good point. How would a random Ron Paul supporter in New Hampshire get all this footage of Huntsman and his children? Note that the camera work is not high enough quality to be professional, looks like home videos. You know, the home videos that only Jon Huntsman would have...

So the youtube dates from the api are 5 hours ahead of EST time. Therefore it was 10:12pm EST on 1/4 when it was published.

The next question is: are youtube stats based on Eastern time? This would mean there was only about 2 hours for all the activity to occur on 1/4th with all the firsts views, searches and referrals. Kind of like the guy was testing it. So if my premise is correct 2 hours from uploading the guy tested it and also did the embed/referral from john hunstman website within the first 2 hours of uploading it. Otherwise everything would show 1/5. If the premise is correct and the john hunstman website referral/embed is correct then I think we have our smoking gun.

So the first tweet was sent out at 10:35pm EST, so in order for the first hunstman embed to occur would have been within an hour and a half? Would John Hunstman's campaign respond to something at 10:36pm at night and actually embed something on his website to test it? Of course, there is no ip address, but it's a pretty quick response by john's campaign.

In this thread, it was confirmed all video is on youtube for anyone to download and put together.

Any other place, and I'd say you were absolutely right.

But this is NH, a place where Henry Cabot Lodge won the 1964 GOP primary, and didn't step foot within 8000 miles of NH the whole primary.

Weird things happen there.

Is there a good reason why this thread has almost 500 replies in one day?

Antiwar put this out on the 'false flag' ad http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2012/01/06/the-three-faces-of-jon-huntsman/

that's great, but unfortunately I bet everyone who reads Antiwar is already a die-hard RP supporter.

well it looks like the main video has been taken down from the nh4liberty channel so i dont think we can get any data now

I've seen some dirty political tricks before but this is beyond sleaze. I hope this blowbacks on him and destroys any future political ambitions. The twilight zone thing was one thing... this is just cowardly

Does youtube strip out the metatags on the videos?

I sent the evidence to Drudge hours ago already, before the story appeared on his site.

I think we need to face facts, Drudge is not friendly to Ron Paul and will not give him an even break.

John Huntsman "you might be surprised on what they (Ron Paul campaign) release in the next few days"

This is propaganda.

Guess attacking the person that made RickPerry.com redirect to RonPaul2012 wasn't enough, the official campaign now sees it fit to go after every random person on the internet, that is allegedly a Paul supporter, who says or does something stupid.

Seriously, what are they thinking? There was absolutely no reason for them to say anything here. No other candidate would feel obligated to disavow something that some random weirdo posted on the internet. Are they going to do it for everything now? Because there's a lot they'd have to apologize for if they feel it necessary to start doing this. Hopefully in the future, it will at least be proven to be an actual Ron Paul supporter before the official campaign negatively responds.

Slow down there. That was an example of how Fox News is spinning the story, even right now. They want to sow dissent, and to give the appearance of division. Don't fall for their manipulations. The official campaign has not said anything bad about supporters. Fox made that up.

One more strange points with regard to this video, that as far as I know haven't been discussed.
Where are the original videos upon which this one was built?
I've seen dozens if not hundreds of Ron Paul supporters videos - all of them have some original sources on youtube. Where are original sources of Huntsman speaking Chinese, for God's sake, on youtube? I don't think they are available. They surely would be easily available for a family member.

Also, I don't know if any or Ron Paul supporters ever heard of jon2012girls before. Have you checked jon2012Girls site? I checked it because it was a tag on this video.
Anyway, the site
http: //www.youtube.com/user/Jon2012Girls
is similarly unprofessional and is similarly full of pretentious humor.

 

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I've only skimmed this thread, but it looks to me like the evidence it was the Huntsman campaign is VERY circumstantial. Also, a lot of people don't know what a 'referer' is on a youtube video. People making blog posts claiming 'proof' that Huntsman orchestrated some conspiracy - (a conspiracy which makes no logistical sense in the first place. Why would he take the risk of being found out? How did he know the ad wouldn't actually be effective? I'm sure there are plenty of primary voters who have feelings like that about China) - had better be damn sure what they are posting is accurate, because if they accuse Huntsman and they're wrong, it's going to look VERY bad.